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of the unexplained crap we're seeing our

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skies from somewhere on or inside our

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planet despite the research of the

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Harwood and subterranean theories in the

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nineteen eighties nineties which in turn

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is this vector explore and miss radio

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show join us as we work towards

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good evening is Saturday night and this

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City side of the Hudson River and we

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have on in jersey city Carla Anderson

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the cutting edge the paranormal and

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tonight our subject is 50 shades of grey

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alien and we've got quite a show for you

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we're a little late in getting started

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Carla how are you I'm doing good you

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i will get i was out earlier tonight

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showers some flurries maybe an inch well

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without the outside it is a lizard right

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never seen snow is that correct never

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seen snow north on come on come on up

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here bring up your snowshoes here and

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join in joining the activities yes and

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it's been that it's been quite a week

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we've been busy of course there's been a

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lot of UFO activity in fact them I was

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videotape that was taken in near

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Portland Oregon and it shows some

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strange objects unexplainable Clyde

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investigating it if anybody's been

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night and people were calling in to the

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different objects in the sky that were

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being seen so it does look like we're in

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sightings here but hopefully in the very

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sky remember you can call us and tell us

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about your experiences what is that the

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phone number angel 7862 458 127 and so

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not why not afraid of you afraid of

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being abducted yes I am I am I am what's

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so scary about being abducted I'm just

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saying I'm standing a little too close

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that knock in the window yeah and it's a

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little great guy saying hey come outside

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and play but see you should think you're

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something that Carla you know like some

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people would get they get like that beam

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that hits them and then again I sucked

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through the walls and it's like all

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scary and stuff and yeah yeah they don't

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me up Robbie a rope ladder I'll climb up

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hey take a ride around the cosmos what's

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the worst that could happen where they

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what I mean no I as long as I get a cool

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experience out of it I don't care yeah

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angel do you think though here here we

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aspects of the paranormal do you think

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if we went on the air and told our

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listeners that we were abducted or had

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probably yes i'm probably would believe

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you some might not wanna with our

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audience triple or would we lose our

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audience you'll probably triple your

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audience because there is a much bigger

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fan base for the believers than the

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non-believers well now you're right

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minutes we're going to have our first

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guest the up and i'm anxious to find out

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about her because i don't really well I

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I know that she's into the abduction

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phenomena she's had some experiences

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herself she says that she has markings

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done some kind of testing or well we'll

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find out exactly why the markings are

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there and now violet hybrid now this is

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the name that we're using because for

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security and for privacy readings she

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doesn't want her real you know name to

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go public at least at the moment but

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they seem to be watching her or

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following her or doing something rather

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strange because not only does she have

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has taken photographs outside of her

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home and I think she said what we're

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going to find out more but I believe

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she's down taking photographs outside of

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a homophobic ship sir yeah yeah well

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I'll strange out unexplainable objects

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kind of hard to say you know when does

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the UFO become a ship when you know we

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need to see a an alien waving to you

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that you know now these are lights in

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the sky but we'll have to find out

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exactly Center well she'll tell us I

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think she's some new years from Florida

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she's certainly not in New York because

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nobody would go out on a night like this

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worry about it oh man I brought it well

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like one degree nice all i'm in this

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call to say eighteen hundreds or

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something yeah helen and where i'd say

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know spring campus who are behind was

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the manager of the Yankees was on

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TV talking about the the lineup for

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spring training so I am keeping my

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fingers crossed that we won't you know

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be going through too much of this and

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the Yankees are not was here before for

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coming well I felt like I felt like they

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were going into spring I started

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painting my apartment I was feeling very

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spring-like even though it was cold and

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you're together to the next we'll be

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down to the next show that's for sure

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precipitation is ninety-three percent

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humidity 78 precent that's fine way my

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60 miles per hour my time in the

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summertime is next to impossible to

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breathe down there but their events much

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that's not true some of that warrant now

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I love Florida to Islam down with

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Florida all year long everyone complains

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about it out of this alive had options

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to move out of florida for work-related

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the rapini a ton of money I said no

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there's a reason why I love Florida I'm

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like everywhere I was any tidings option

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angel has there been any reported you

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know what recently of UFOs down there

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not really not in a while not nothing

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major to be honest I saw the girls

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facebook i saw violets facebook i saw

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the markings and the picture of the

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craft that she took well why don't we

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get prepared to maybe have a rod well

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that's a great idea i'm actually i tried

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skyping her and such a request and so

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far i haven't heard back from her so I'm

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still about waiting for that oh wait

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nevermind she just accepted oh yeah oh

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there you go say it's all coming

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together see it's all synchronicity and

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then and we're back with our guest this

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evening we have violet hybrid again

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she's using this name for security and

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privacy reasons because she's had these

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experiences and we're going to find out

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if what nature they are if they're

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frightening and and what revelation

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she's had violent one she started the

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beginning tell us a little bit about

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your background and how you

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you got involved in UFOs and so is it a

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natural thing have you been interested

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in a long time or did it just suddenly

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come upon you um well I've only put an

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interest I definitely always knew that

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something else was out there but I

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really didn't get into the abduction

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topic and so almost about a year ago as

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your background pilot I used to be in

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the medical field now I do alternative

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skin treatments for clients and is this

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is this as in the past year no no I've

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been doing that for like a dermatologist

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skin together um well I could i do

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because i have a medical background but

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it's more vegan and natural stuff and I

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don't want to have you know chemicals ok

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ok I've even a call yes I follow you I

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follow you so so you said the past year

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you got interested in the abduction part

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um yes initially i was watching the TV

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show that mentioned the MUFON are ya the

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new font organization and i actually had

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no idea what it was and i looked it up

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and saw that they had a silver Vesta

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Gator you know something you could do

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and I found that quite interesting and I

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met one here locally and we sat down and

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I told her about some stuff so just so

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you'd need you had an experience prior

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to this and then you look them up

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because you felt like you had experience

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well tell us about no I mean again if I

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was it's always just been an interest so

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I just happen to catch the show and I

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thought it was great and they kept

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mentioning move on and so I looked them

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up so you were always interested in UFOs

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and aliens all right ah yes just because

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I've had sightings quite consistently

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okay and yeah came upon the show and

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just found it quite interesting and then

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I talked to the investigator and we sat

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down and had to do is a very long

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conversation then when I finally

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realized what was going on with me so

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you had never heard of move on really i

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didn't know I've never heard of it um

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you know just did you do art bell in the

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90s at all um I was aware of art doll

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yes but I never tuned in but I

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definitely usually was so offended knows

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a support group then when you be that

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you decided to contact them yes I just I

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was very interested in being an

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investigator okay okay well that's what

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that was my initial contact with

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somebody from from MUFON setting up with

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every two days actually go out and

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investigate a any any sightings that

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other people had reported actually know

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when we sat down and talked and all

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these revelations came out and she was

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the expert so she you know gave me some

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opinions and advice of what she thought

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well I just decided maybe I don't want

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to be investigator because I need to

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investigate myself never had a hypnosis

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regression therapy um I have thought

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about that and I've been a little bit

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you know I've talked about that idea

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quite a bit and you might have been

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locking out some major information have

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you been affected before you know when

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you learn about something like this and

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you know I really step back and thought

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about the things in my life even prior

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to nineteen ninety-three and I really

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believe that this has been going on for

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a very long time so can I just

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truck for a second so so you so you had

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two days of conversation thinking that

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you were going there to be an

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investigator you SAT there with an

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investigator for two days and talking

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and then you started to realize that

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that that what really brought you there

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was that you felt like you had some kind

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of experience that's what you get that's

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what you came down to is that you have

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you only want hear ya know what i don't

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realize what it is what did you realize

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that the two days you're talking what

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would a fool you ah well I told her

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specifically about a very realistic

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dream that I had um that I felt like it

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was so real it was really happening what

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was it tell us when yeah I woke up

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outside of my house in the name is a

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dream or every dream what yes in what

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they quote to the dream okay yes getting

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um on the patio of my backyard and my

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whole body I could not move except for

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my eyes and I knew it yeah you could see

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decide with even when you look straight

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you could see yeah I've heard of sleep

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paralysis it was like that um yes I

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believe so guy was yeah my body I

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couldn't lose nothing except for my eyes

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right bro I which yes I I knew somebody

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was standing behind me and I knew that

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person was very small and and what I

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thought was a huge craft right above me

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okay that was titanium very large in the

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room no outside she had she had the

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dream this whole dinner drink she

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welcomed allied young people yeah I

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missed that part sorry yeah and I

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remember the lights that were they were

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blue and white they're very piercing in

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color

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and I just remember looking up at it and

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my next memory was of me being inside of

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the ship standing in a very tall window

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looking out that window and watching my

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house and get further away and again

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looking through the side of these I

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could be I've even know what to call it

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people walking behind me as if nothing

370
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you know they weren't paying really any

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attention to get all the fixes ya know

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there but three people were just walking

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to actually we're walking and another

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one was sitting in a chair uh-huh in the

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craft in the craft uh-huh you know I

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don't have any memory of their face what

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they look like I never saw hands and

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never soft feet but I do remember seeing

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suits tight fitted suits that were blue

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somewhat gray in color mm-hmm but more

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definitely on the blue side mm-hmm and

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then was up well that long how are you

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feeling I mean did you know it was a

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dream that it was happening to you or no

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because when I woke up I woke up in I

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was startled like where am I I mean I

387
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woke up and just looking around where I

388
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was but it was so real that I was

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questioning whether that happened or not

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and then did you see marks right after

391
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that he said you had marks um you know

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what I actually didn't this is before I

393
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met the new phone investigator so I

394
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brushed that off as a dream okay but it

395
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stuck in my head for a few days because

396
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it was so real I couldn't get over it

397
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and the markings happened right after I

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met her okay Polly want a month after I

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no one day I'll just sit on my couch and

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notice two marks on myself and about

401
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they're quite odd because they look so

402
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perfect and they're so bright they look

403
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like they would hurt that they didn't

404
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uh-huh and so I took a picture of it and

405
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I sent it to her and next day I checked

406
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it again and there was a third mark and

407
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12 pitch that which as you guys know

408
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there are my on my page and then Bob

409
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:55,380
well I haven't seen the page can you

410
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:56,850
give the URL so the audience is

411
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listening kid I look at the marks what

412
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bad um they haven't seen the page and

413
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:05,220
I'm sure the audience hasn't either d

414
00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:07,170
can you give us the URL so anybody

415
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listening in to look at the other photos

416
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:14,490
oh yes that's on facebook and you'll

417
00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:18,810
find it under violet UFO they're also

418
00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:22,440
just got justice nautica what beach no

419
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no no it's not on the Facebook too I so

420
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:27,990
so there were two marks and then I mean

421
00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:29,610
I really couldn't where are they like he

422
00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:32,130
really couldn't tell by the picture um

423
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they were on my right leg like talking

424
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:39,030
about of my life the inner part of my

425
00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:41,850
leg okay okay then I saw the two and

426
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:42,990
then by the time you had the three look

427
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like you had a triangle yes yep that's

428
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exactly what it was on the third no

429
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second day and I long ago today that was

430
00:21:04,910 --> 00:21:00,600
I believe I believe in July the

431
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specialist well this past July yep any

432
00:21:14,990 --> 00:21:11,760
more weird dreams um yes okay um I

433
00:21:22,580 --> 00:21:15,000
actually remember being put back into my

434
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:22,590
bed I was coming down onto my bed and I

435
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woke up and I just remember turning

436
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,700
myself turning my head and I could see

437
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myself or feel myself and go down

438
00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:35,750
bed and next thing you know I was out

439
00:21:41,620 --> 00:21:39,470
again really fast and I slept a long

440
00:21:44,050 --> 00:21:41,630
time that morning and that's that's very

441
00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:44,060
unusual for me I don't do that deal it

442
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:52,160
alone yes any animals I've to catch any

443
00:22:00,250 --> 00:21:56,720
strange behavior in your house um oh yes

444
00:22:03,670 --> 00:22:00,260
all the time listen I have a two-story

445
00:22:06,510 --> 00:22:03,680
house and they tend to fixate on the

446
00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:06,520
stairs quite a bit what do you think Tim

447
00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:09,740
went out of the violet did you you you

448
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you were not able to actually see these

449
00:22:17,530 --> 00:22:14,240
beings you could feel their presence or

450
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:17,540
did you actually see them when I was

451
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:19,730
being put back into my bed I did not I

452
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just knew that I was in the position of

453
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you know looking up at the ceiling going

454
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down onto my back and waking up in the

455
00:22:38,830 --> 00:22:34,940
middle of that did they did they touch

456
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you with any point or i don't remember i

457
00:22:43,770 --> 00:22:41,780
don't i don't think they were not not

458
00:22:46,030 --> 00:22:43,780
when i was being put back into my bed

459
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:46,040
how do you think you got the the

460
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:49,450
markings then how did that come about I

461
00:22:55,660 --> 00:22:52,960
wish I remembered okay I don't know

462
00:22:58,900 --> 00:22:55,670
that's why I asked how do you recommend

463
00:23:01,810 --> 00:22:58,910
the heaven hypnosis done yes I actually

464
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:01,820
had more martinis this month on the

465
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fifth and I document about on facebook

466
00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:08,450
as well and and I saw that you had a

467
00:23:12,820 --> 00:23:10,940
picture of a UFO outside your house was

468
00:23:18,220 --> 00:23:12,830
that at the same time as you had the

469
00:23:21,250 --> 00:23:18,230
markings no that was actually in 2011 I

470
00:23:23,410 --> 00:23:21,260
went outside to go over the super moon

471
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that night and I walked outside to go

472
00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:26,960
see it and I was out there for maybe two

473
00:23:36,010 --> 00:23:31,880
minutes and here they come they're

474
00:23:38,830 --> 00:23:36,020
coming from the west and passed right in

475
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front of my house that particular one I

476
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:42,429
actually have on video as well mm-hmm

477
00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:45,090
they pass slowly that you could

478
00:23:51,740 --> 00:23:48,630
a video what we did it was low and they

479
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didn't be formed if you see in the

480
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:54,840
picture there's a triangle there what

481
00:24:01,340 --> 00:23:59,760
actually that formed in front of in

482
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:01,350
front of me they didn't come in like

483
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:05,400
that mm-hmm now do you do you live in a

484
00:24:12,530 --> 00:24:08,790
rural area or add downtown that the

485
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Tucson proper I know it's its role I

486
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:17,700
mean it's a suburb of tooth on and so

487
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,280
how high up in the sky would you say

488
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,840
that they were I mean what made you

489
00:24:26,060 --> 00:24:23,760
think that they were UFOs instead of

490
00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:26,070
just airplanes coming in the land there

491
00:24:32,150 --> 00:24:29,400
at the tucson airport while they were

492
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:32,160
too low and you didn't hear anything and

493
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:35,610
they they flew to perfect in formation

494
00:24:45,790 --> 00:24:39,840
it was just it was all too perfect and

495
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:45,800
how long with a visible of violence um I

496
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:53,130
think about five minutes mm-hmm and did

497
00:25:01,700 --> 00:24:55,650
they did they move around or where they

498
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:01,710
will stay in one pattern they came in in

499
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:05,610
one form and then they changed into the

500
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:11,310
triangle form so violent oh sorry Tim

501
00:25:15,650 --> 00:25:12,930
yeah i know i was just when he do you

502
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,660
think that they were well do you think

503
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,760
because of your background and trying to

504
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:19,740
get entire getting in contact with new

505
00:25:25,820 --> 00:25:22,980
fun it was this a little a deliberate

506
00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:25,830
attempt to you think make contact or at

507
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:27,990
least have you see them I mean is there

508
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:29,940
a feeling that you have that they

509
00:25:38,090 --> 00:25:35,220
specifically picked you well again I

510
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:38,100
don't know because you know again I have

511
00:25:48,290 --> 00:25:41,850
felt that this has gone way back I mean

512
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:48,300
maybe even as early as two years old and

513
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:50,520
like how does that influence your life

514
00:25:55,940 --> 00:25:53,760
and what do you think when you say you

515
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:55,950
think that this goes been going on exam

516
00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:58,650
I'm saying you know if you went to the

517
00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:59,940
do you follow that all of a sudden

518
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,380
you're talking to the woman more things

519
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,080
on move on but no one we all thought

520
00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:07,320
yeah well there's a goof on there is a

521
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:09,470
good father shouts the roots to da no

522
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:12,930
question though you said you had your

523
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:15,900
first inciting probably 93 were you two

524
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:18,770
years old I 93 hold of you exactly I'm

525
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:22,530
41 okay so you weren't 23 years old at

526
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:27,000
93 so she's lighting right well was he

527
00:26:30,770 --> 00:26:28,770
have enough said she said that she might

528
00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:30,780
go back even further into the age of

529
00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:38,430
three perhaps right I learned that at

530
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,140
the age of two and a half I'm from

531
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:41,760
actually I'm from Southern California

532
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:48,240
and I learned on the night of the fourth

533
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:51,870
of July night out on a beach in

534
00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:55,140
California that I had went missing for

535
00:27:03,230 --> 00:26:59,700
30 minutes and my mom and authorities

536
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:03,240
were looking for me and how long when

537
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:04,770
this happened you were two years old

538
00:27:11,780 --> 00:27:07,290
then I was yeah I was two and a half

539
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:11,790
years old and when I reach what beach

540
00:27:18,290 --> 00:27:16,530
was is from harbour beach and how did

541
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:18,300
you manage though to disappear I mean

542
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:19,740
were you you were there with your

543
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:22,170
parents obviously weren't running around

544
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:25,710
the beach by yourself you know that's a

545
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:28,410
pretty good question i don't know i

546
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:32,960
don't know with the questions yeah the i

547
00:27:42,050 --> 00:27:37,290
I really I can't answer that I just know

548
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:42,060
that I was missing um I do actually

549
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:44,310
remember coming back though I mean

550
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:46,410
that's such a young age to even have a

551
00:27:53,410 --> 00:27:50,760
memory but I do remember uh walking on

552
00:27:58,730 --> 00:27:53,420
the beach trying to find my way back

553
00:28:00,440 --> 00:27:58,740
it's big but I remember it and where did

554
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:00,450
you it wasn't your parents it found you

555
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:02,330
or the police are out looking for you or

556
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:08,880
yes yeah my mom initially can found me

557
00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:11,370
wandering back and then

558
00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:14,160
course the authorities came and you know

559
00:28:24,610 --> 00:28:18,260
so they were involved as well but ah ah

560
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:24,620
but now that's I bring that up because

561
00:28:30,170 --> 00:28:28,110
we have learned anybody that's done any

562
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:30,180
research and this field is also now

563
00:28:37,330 --> 00:28:34,350
there's supposed to be something going

564
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:37,340
on and under the beaches or the ocean of

565
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:41,130
California so you know I don't know what

566
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:43,260
the stretch that is but it sure makes me

567
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:46,260
wonder what what happened to me because

568
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:49,500
literally nobody could find me my mom

569
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:54,720
caught my mom said I just showed up you

570
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,450
know from like from nowhere has this

571
00:29:03,320 --> 00:28:59,340
happened to you again or was this the

572
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:03,330
only time no that was that was the only

573
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:09,960
time and but you have no well obviously

574
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,400
it did two and a half you wouldn't have

575
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:13,559
much of a recollection of what had

576
00:29:21,310 --> 00:29:18,179
transpired but now you say more recently

577
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:21,320
you when you start to talk you have a

578
00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:27,450
electronic voice yes it's very random

579
00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:29,670
and it happens anytime but on the right

580
00:29:41,710 --> 00:29:36,740
side of my head through my ear I feel I

581
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:41,720
found robotic and whatever has happened

582
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:45,210
yeah I was you know yeah i said can you

583
00:29:55,580 --> 00:29:49,890
hear that you know but I hear something

584
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:55,590
and nobody can hear it just me and can

585
00:30:02,000 --> 00:29:59,640
you describe to us exactly what it what

586
00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:02,010
it sounds like I mean you're hearing it

587
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:03,870
but other people aren't or it can other

588
00:30:09,049 --> 00:30:06,690
people right no one know that no one can

589
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:09,059
hear about me so when I talk all of a

590
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:13,250
sudden I almost to do it's almost like

591
00:30:18,919 --> 00:30:16,860
electronic interference like I'm talking

592
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:18,929
I feel like I'm talking to my venting

593
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,890
monocle hello yeah yes so now

594
00:30:28,820 --> 00:30:27,360
does it doesn't repeat the same thing I

595
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:28,830
mean do you get a message like a

596
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:32,910
millionaire here or no no it's just like

597
00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:35,370
I said it's very random it there's no

598
00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:37,830
specific time I Adams be feeling a

599
00:30:43,790 --> 00:30:40,350
certain way for it to happen it just

600
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:43,800
happens and also I understand that

601
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:47,010
you've had some situations with your

602
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:48,450
eyes something's happening to your eye

603
00:30:59,420 --> 00:30:51,630
while you're in there going this um yes

604
00:31:02,060 --> 00:30:59,430
I was actually at my desk and you know

605
00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:02,070
just writing some things down and in my

606
00:31:11,660 --> 00:31:04,950
right eye which is also the same side

607
00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:11,670
that I hear that I have the very bright

608
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:14,190
light in fact it almost reminded me of

609
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:16,740
the life I fell in the usl it was like

610
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:20,370
that it was very bright and there at the

611
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:24,360
corner of my eye and it happened for

612
00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:26,460
about one to two minutes and I started

613
00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:27,750
panicking because I didn't know what was

614
00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:35,330
immediately started in your life or

615
00:31:39,490 --> 00:31:38,280
after the two minutes after the two

616
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:39,500
minutes and it's never happened again

617
00:31:46,790 --> 00:31:45,030
but it was very very bright now what did

618
00:31:48,260 --> 00:31:46,800
you get a sensation along with it I mean

619
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:48,270
did you feel you were losing your sight

620
00:31:54,770 --> 00:31:52,470
or well obviously while that has never

621
00:31:58,460 --> 00:31:54,780
happened to me before so I had no idea

622
00:32:01,910 --> 00:31:58,470
what was going on with me um but when

623
00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:01,920
when it didn't stop I definitely started

624
00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:07,560
panicking and then it just immediately

625
00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:11,340
stopped there wasn't it didn't fade out

626
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,460
it didn't you know they're just taught

627
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:18,960
did you ever talk to a physician about

628
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:26,820
any of this no and I have been thinking

629
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:31,310
about going to the doctor just to see if

630
00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:35,400
I'm never sick so I'm trying to figure

631
00:32:38,540 --> 00:32:38,400
out how I can see my doctor and make up

632
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:38,550
the

633
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:41,070
good enough excuse to go to scan done

634
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,900
just to see if they find anything but

635
00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:50,640
you know when you don't have any

636
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:52,470
symptoms that would call for that it's

637
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:57,120
so hard to do so that's one of the

638
00:33:02,630 --> 00:32:58,620
reasons why i made my pages because

639
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:02,640
really I'm just looking for I know a lot

640
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:05,990
of people out there with resources and

641
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:10,980
ideas and that's yeah you know we're

642
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:13,190
about to get to our next guest Tim and

643
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,410
and he and what's his specialty because

644
00:33:21,410 --> 00:33:19,200
david estrada structure alice is the

645
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:21,420
going to be on in just a little while

646
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:25,710
now he's investigated humanoid sightings

647
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:28,110
humanoid reports mainly from South

648
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:30,210
America he is probably the leading

649
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:33,720
expert on sightings in the

650
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:36,770
spanish-speaking the world South America

651
00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:38,820
Porter and the little peoples out

652
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:40,350
because she saw a little purse it's out

653
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:42,390
the little presence as well these are

654
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:45,450
what we call humanoids they don't seem

655
00:33:51,020 --> 00:33:48,650
to be the top of the intellectual ladder

656
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:51,030
in some of these cases that people

657
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:54,210
report like the the tall whites that one

658
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:55,380
of these individuals that might have

659
00:34:01,340 --> 00:33:58,890
come into your shop Carla these beings

660
00:34:03,290 --> 00:34:01,350
of what we would call the all the

661
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:03,300
Nordics their human looking in

662
00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:05,010
appearance they seem to have the ability

663
00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:06,420
I mean sometimes they do communicate

664
00:34:12,830 --> 00:34:10,980
telepathically but often they speak the

665
00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:12,840
language of whatever the person it is

666
00:34:20,180 --> 00:34:16,830
that they're in countering violent did

667
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,190
has there been any attempt to verbalize

668
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:22,800
or contact you where you might actually

669
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:24,870
be speaking whether it's verbally or

670
00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:32,610
telepathically to someone um honestly I

671
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,380
don't remember I just if I had to say I

672
00:34:41,870 --> 00:34:40,200
had a telepathic communication I would

673
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,880
say it was the one that was very

674
00:34:47,150 --> 00:34:43,200
indirect that I didn't realize that

675
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:47,160
happened back in two thousand eight when

676
00:34:52,370 --> 00:34:50,730
I got out of my bed at three o'clock in

677
00:34:56,630 --> 00:34:52,380
the morning

678
00:35:00,860 --> 00:34:56,640
and for some reason felt like I had to

679
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:00,870
go outside and I went outside and I saw

680
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:07,410
very bright orange lights I say put on a

681
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:10,980
show because lights are just dancing all

682
00:35:15,610 --> 00:35:13,380
over the sky for over an hour and I

683
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,620
thought they're on my patio and watched

684
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:17,760
how many times have you actually seen

685
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:19,170
these objects and you took the

686
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:21,180
photographs once was that a video

687
00:35:26,860 --> 00:35:23,970
photograph video or was it still photos

688
00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:26,870
did you take you to the cell phone um

689
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:29,670
the one that i have on video was taken

690
00:35:37,220 --> 00:35:34,100
with a cell phone as well as the pitcher

691
00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:37,230
mm-hmm do they do they do they dance

692
00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:40,460
around in the sky would you say that

693
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:45,380
incident in 2008 my gosh they were

694
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:48,030
forming shapes disappearing reappearing

695
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:54,510
um just making all kinds of you know

696
00:36:00,220 --> 00:35:57,450
they made shoot up they come back down I

697
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:00,230
mean it was quite amazing actually and

698
00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:03,240
and you never had anybody with you while

699
00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:05,270
you well you have these settings either

700
00:36:13,460 --> 00:36:09,390
I actually I've had two sightings like

701
00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:13,470
the one I have the pictures up I too

702
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:15,750
like that outside of my house and both

703
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:21,480
times there were witnesses now do you

704
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,330
have a do you think this is a

705
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:26,160
progressive thing I mean is it going to

706
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:28,070
continue do you think that they will

707
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:32,690
reveal themselves to you I mean is there

708
00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:35,820
some reason to believe that there there

709
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:38,040
is some communication channel being

710
00:36:49,070 --> 00:36:45,170
opened I think that there is I really do

711
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,080
and I'd like to know because um I don't

712
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:52,800
feel scared I think I'm more curious I'm

713
00:36:58,820 --> 00:36:56,040
luxury has been scared in fact when I do

714
00:37:04,160 --> 00:36:58,830
have excited I get pretty excited about

715
00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:04,170
it yeah it makes me happy ah you know

716
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:06,260
it's

717
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:08,370
natural Oh once they had abducted to

718
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:10,020
Angela wants to get up ducted as well

719
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:11,940
can I go to Arizona move in with you for

720
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:13,290
a while so I can I get abducted because

721
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:16,140
I'm dying to yeah he wants to take a

722
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:17,610
ride he said they're single I'm single

723
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:19,560
will move in together awesome aliens

724
00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:22,610
it's all good there you go there you go

725
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:26,300
now that's a wee Florida that would suck

726
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:29,850
aliens on it in mesa arizona is a good

727
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:33,090
second choice yes I hang out with Travis

728
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:34,380
he's a buddy of mine we can hang out and

729
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:37,950
have a couple beers and swap stories so

730
00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:38,970
you know will tell me about his

731
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:40,950
abduction case and I thought about my

732
00:37:45,740 --> 00:37:43,500
amazing abduction cases and what's

733
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,750
happening in my thinking was a lot of

734
00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:47,880
protein I'm thinking that we might need

735
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:50,340
to move on to the next guest and see if

736
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:52,010
he has some answers about this as well

737
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:54,540
serious say that whether it's South

738
00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:55,980
America where everybody I want to hear

739
00:38:04,040 --> 00:37:57,510
more about me getting abducted though to

740
00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:04,050
be honest with you I like the idea no

741
00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:06,120
I'm not afraid man some people are

742
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:07,980
scared of the experience i welcome it

743
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:09,660
like a knock on my window you're not

744
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:11,880
like you know get all like an old high

745
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,640
tech and be no being me anywhere or is

746
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:16,440
that me with any breagan or anything

747
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:20,940
like that just what we are violent when

748
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:23,400
was your last experiences have you had

749
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:25,770
anything recently that's happened um

750
00:38:34,070 --> 00:38:29,880
just the body markings um again on my

751
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:34,080
right side ah they stay there are they

752
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,650
permanent no no just a couple of days I

753
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:40,320
keep a journal and where their impairs

754
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:41,730
to us all some photos in it looks like

755
00:38:47,060 --> 00:38:43,500
they're like two little marks in pairs

756
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,070
does that happened on coffin or you know

757
00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:49,680
just to roll this one actually didn't

758
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:51,600
have a third mark I was looking for it

759
00:38:58,540 --> 00:38:54,810
um but this one did not it was just the

760
00:39:02,060 --> 00:38:58,550
two marks that look very similar to uh

761
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:02,070
the first day you know I saw the two

762
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:07,410
marks on when I noticed that the last

763
00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:12,660
time last year okay now you know you and

764
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:14,790
one of these experiences in the this

765
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:17,730
dream you were looking at the WIC the

766
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:19,260
report or the window

767
00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:20,970
board the ship could you see the Earth's

768
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:27,150
at that point um I just the last thing I

769
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:31,110
saw with my house that's writing to be

770
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:35,040
focused on and then after that I don't

771
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:40,170
want all well do you think that that I

772
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:42,420
mean are you you seem to have a fairly

773
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:47,280
positive attitude toward this you know

774
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:49,710
we're using the name violet hybrid do

775
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,810
you believe that there are hybrids are

776
00:39:57,490 --> 00:39:54,420
there your people here on this planet

777
00:39:59,300 --> 00:39:57,500
that are a cross between the

778
00:40:00,500 --> 00:39:59,310
extraterrestrials aliens also

779
00:40:06,490 --> 00:40:00,510
terrestrials whatever you want to call

780
00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:06,500
them and earth people I believe so um

781
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:09,630
I'm definitely doing more research but

782
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:12,890
the more research i do it makes me feel

783
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:17,610
that yes maybe maybe there are some out

784
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:21,000
there it is there it is there an

785
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:23,220
ultimate I mean we hear about on the

786
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:25,770
media now in recent times disclosure

787
00:40:32,330 --> 00:40:29,940
disclosure disclosure UFO people are

788
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:32,340
asking for the government to come clean

789
00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:33,960
about this do you think that they are

790
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:36,150
there's going to come a time that they

791
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:45,550
gotta know their information well no

792
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:49,260
alien beings themselves are they going

793
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:50,700
to let us know are they going to give us

794
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:54,060
more no confirmation or is this a close

795
00:41:00,620 --> 00:40:56,820
the society meant just for a handful of

796
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:00,630
people know I I do think at some point

797
00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:07,200
yes you know my thought is that um you

798
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:11,070
know it's people like me and you and you

799
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:13,290
just keep talking about it you know

800
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:16,350
maybe we're here to do that we're here

801
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:20,070
to get the rest of society prepared you

802
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:22,440
know I I really don't know how long

803
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:24,180
that's the way I like to think of it

804
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:28,640
because um I think it's going to happen

805
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:31,710
well tell me I think it may be in a few

806
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:32,670
minutes we're going

807
00:41:37,579 --> 00:41:34,530
close out this session is there anything

808
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:37,589
that you would like to tell are the the

809
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:39,480
listeners I mean as far as what they

810
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:41,579
should be looking for I mean is there a

811
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:43,770
way that we could all have to share in

812
00:41:49,339 --> 00:41:46,670
this experience or see a UFO perhaps and

813
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:49,349
attract the good guys of course of

814
00:41:57,740 --> 00:41:53,730
course um no just ah if I had any advice

815
00:42:04,370 --> 00:41:57,750
just keep an open mind you know keep

816
00:42:06,859 --> 00:42:04,380
asking questions and you know just just

817
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:06,869
do good just do that that's all i have

818
00:42:13,099 --> 00:42:10,710
to say is doing good I certainly I'm

819
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:13,109
sure we will be in touch with you we

820
00:42:19,099 --> 00:42:16,710
want to see how this progresses and if

821
00:42:21,549 --> 00:42:19,109
you do have you no further experiences

822
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:21,559
i'm sure you'll be posting them on

823
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:24,359
facebook and on the internet and do it

824
00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:26,670
let us know how can people find you on

825
00:42:33,549 --> 00:42:28,950
facebook what do they what do they type

826
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:33,559
in uh of just type in violet UFO and

827
00:42:39,799 --> 00:42:36,930
I'll be right there ready to be your

828
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:39,809
friend come on I when I was a thank you

829
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:42,660
for coming on and sharing the your

830
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:44,339
experiences that I know that this is the

831
00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:46,920
first public appearance that you made

832
00:42:53,980 --> 00:42:50,369
and once again our guest has been violet

833
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:53,990
hybrid or violent UFO as she's known on

834
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:57,480
facebook and I guess she would all we

835
00:43:01,460 --> 00:42:59,460
would all agree that she should continue

836
00:43:03,319 --> 00:43:01,470
to to look up and again thank you so

837
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,329
much for being thank you violent this

838
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:05,280
evening thank you all very much for

839
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:07,049
having me i really appreciate it thank

840
00:43:14,299 --> 00:43:09,450
you value take you thank you you too

841
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,309
okay good night rose oh so you guys what

842
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:15,599
do you met what do you make of that I

843
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:17,369
mean do you think that the Irish has

844
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,020
gotten over the ice isn't it experience

845
00:43:26,059 --> 00:43:21,900
he is very pretty isn't she oh very

846
00:43:29,089 --> 00:43:26,069
pretty yeah I think I'm gonna tell

847
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:29,099
everybody that's one thing angel went

848
00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:32,609
and Carla when I decided to do this

849
00:43:36,049 --> 00:43:34,980
program and of course I've been on

850
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,059
you're trying to get me hooked up with a

851
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:38,880
girl in Arizona actually rejuvenator but

852
00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:40,890
better better than Alaska I would say

853
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:43,319
right but I you know I was determined

854
00:43:46,279 --> 00:43:44,970
it's true if I'm going to do this

855
00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:46,289
program I

856
00:43:50,539 --> 00:43:48,839
bring on people who have not been on you

857
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:50,549
know dozens and dozens of times and

858
00:43:55,459 --> 00:43:53,160
repeated their experiences if we're

859
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:55,469
going to find out anything about this

860
00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:58,380
we've got to have some fresh new faces

861
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:02,099
and some fresh new voices and perhaps

862
00:44:05,989 --> 00:44:04,619
headed in in some other direction to

863
00:44:09,409 --> 00:44:05,999
find out what's going on because we've

864
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:09,419
been doing this for 50 60 years and it's

865
00:44:14,059 --> 00:44:11,339
pretty much the same as it was in the

866
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:14,069
beginning now I guess we're going to go

867
00:44:17,179 --> 00:44:15,359
to a break angel and then we're going to

868
00:44:20,769 --> 00:44:17,189
come back on with the Scots to Ellis who

869
00:44:25,249 --> 00:44:20,779
is the predominant researcher of

870
00:44:27,859 --> 00:44:25,259
humanoid the sightings in South America

871
00:44:29,539 --> 00:44:27,869
and Puerto Rico and he's even

872
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,549
investigated some cases i know in

873
00:44:34,339 --> 00:44:31,140
kuebler he wrote an article many years

874
00:44:36,979 --> 00:44:34,349
ago about Cuba do other sightings and we

875
00:44:39,799 --> 00:44:36,989
have people these humanoid conspiracies

876
00:44:42,799 --> 00:44:39,809
in South America yeah but wait yeah but

877
00:44:44,749 --> 00:44:42,809
wait a second well I can i yeah yeah

878
00:44:47,809 --> 00:44:44,759
whatwhat's given like well human or you

879
00:44:49,969 --> 00:44:47,819
know head torso two legs two or never

880
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:49,979
family was saying it that was so what's

881
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:52,140
what's human right sweetie well we'll

882
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,169
have to ask Scott happy with the define

883
00:44:58,969 --> 00:44:56,880
a humanoid it no way they're not they're

884
00:45:01,789 --> 00:44:58,979
not human looking they're not these the

885
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:01,799
Nordics or the tall whites they're not

886
00:45:06,949 --> 00:45:04,619
grazed there somewhere in between and

887
00:45:09,649 --> 00:45:06,959
they're actually many descriptions of

888
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:09,659
these of these beings but they're

889
00:45:15,049 --> 00:45:12,089
unusual each case what one reason that I

890
00:45:17,539 --> 00:45:15,059
find is human a case is very interesting

891
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:17,549
is that each one is very individual

892
00:45:26,749 --> 00:45:23,339
interesting and welcome back to

893
00:45:30,049 --> 00:45:26,759
unraveling the secrets and our guests

894
00:45:32,419 --> 00:45:30,059
coming up right now is scott ellis who

895
00:45:34,669 --> 00:45:32,429
is a writer and translator of UFO and

896
00:45:37,099 --> 00:45:34,679
paranormal subjects with an interest in

897
00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:37,109
high strangeness aspects of the

898
00:45:41,439 --> 00:45:39,390
phenomena he his books include

899
00:45:44,059 --> 00:45:41,449
chupacabra and other mysteries

900
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:44,069
flashpoint hi strangers in Puerto Rico

901
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:47,369
and forbid knee Mexico he's written for

902
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:51,119
fate UFO a universe and dozens and

903
00:45:57,259 --> 00:45:53,729
dozens of other publications he is

904
00:45:59,900 --> 00:45:57,269
without a doubt the leading expert on

905
00:46:02,180 --> 00:45:59,910
humanoid sightings and

906
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:02,190
South America and he directs the

907
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:05,250
Institute for Hispanic youth fala g and

908
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:07,380
i'm proud to say that I've known Scott

909
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:11,849
for many many years and I'm anxious to

910
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:14,940
hear about humanoid conspiracies in

911
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:18,270
South America and so here we are with

912
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:22,230
the 50 shades of grey aliens and Scott

913
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:24,599
how are you doing this evening good

914
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:26,369
evening Tim so good to talk to you again

915
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,530
hello Carla hello Angelo how do I guess

916
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:31,200
real earth thanks you must be frozen

917
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,990
over there in Pennsylvania as well

918
00:46:37,549 --> 00:46:35,520
certainly am it's been about maybe five

919
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:37,559
inches of snow on the ground so far and

920
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:40,049
it's been one heck of a week lucky I've

921
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:45,119
never seen snow oh I'm so lucky by the

922
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,369
way y'all Scott it it's 71 degrees here

923
00:46:51,799 --> 00:46:49,440
in sunny South for what could you some

924
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:51,809
of that it's beautiful down here like

925
00:46:59,079 --> 00:46:53,730
rubbing it in just say it oh yeah please

926
00:47:01,039 --> 00:46:59,089
do some good the sub-site tail go ahead

927
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:01,049
now I was gonna say remember that chain

928
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:02,970
letter that used to go around about uh

929
00:47:06,769 --> 00:47:05,130
you know about the girl that she moves

930
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:06,779
to the country and it's like it's like

931
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:08,460
they want it's like this this thing that

932
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,170
was going around but if it was like day

933
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:12,000
one oh I love the country it's oh so

934
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:13,770
beautiful I'm so glad I moved here and

935
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:15,180
then y'all like like like week 2 or

936
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,369
whatever it's like oh I just saw a deer

937
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:19,200
you know there's such beautiful animals

938
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:20,609
why do people hate deer and then it goes

939
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:22,680
like you know like four weeks it's like

940
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:24,180
oh it started to snow and then it's like

941
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,430
six weeks a goddamn snow almost hit a

942
00:47:30,529 --> 00:47:28,380
freakin deer today you know what I mean

943
00:47:32,299 --> 00:47:30,539
I you know it that just the whole thing

944
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:32,309
just unravels out angel you think you

945
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:33,510
want to see snow I'm telling you right

946
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:35,880
now I'm dying I'm tell me I spent

947
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:38,010
winters in places where you are its nose

948
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:40,529
and therefore someone godly reason I get

949
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:42,510
there and it doesn't still like here's

950
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:44,490
in jersey or something that's all you

951
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:45,660
know a new you are that's what I'm left

952
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:47,460
after like move some more north like a

953
00:47:52,279 --> 00:47:51,210
couple years after a little meant that

954
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:52,289
you can tell what we're going through

955
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,910
but anyway what's in North Carolina few

956
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:55,200
years ago and it was during the winter

957
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:56,250
and I was so excited I was like we're

958
00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:57,720
gonna see snow man it's gonna be great

959
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,599
no snow it's overrated it's overrated

960
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:02,880
but if you've never seen it how can you

961
00:48:09,319 --> 00:48:06,000
/ read it you read it it's wet and nasty

962
00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:09,329
and yeah yeah but so is toilet water and

963
00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:12,270
owners and only hybrid children like it

964
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:13,260
okay I want to get to

965
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:14,910
follower the whole humanoid thing what's

966
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:20,220
a humanoid Scott oh boy well that's that

967
00:48:23,810 --> 00:48:22,410
we're talking about when we ever speed

968
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:23,820
we say the word human and we're trying

969
00:48:29,710 --> 00:48:26,940
to talk about an entity that looks human

970
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:29,720
in most respects it can be sometimes

971
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:32,940
cartoonish in its similarity to the

972
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:36,780
human form or it can have traits that

973
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:39,090
make it human but not quite let's say

974
00:48:44,570 --> 00:48:41,250
very long arms very long legs strange

975
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:44,580
eyes up ahead that's much too large for

976
00:48:53,090 --> 00:48:48,930
it the variations of that basic human

977
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,100
form four extremities and ahead and been

978
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:55,200
a binocular vision but basically they

979
00:48:59,540 --> 00:48:57,210
deported but basically the human

980
00:49:01,340 --> 00:48:59,550
structure had torso arms legs as a

981
00:49:03,620 --> 00:49:01,350
matter of it stretched or in different

982
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:03,630
proportions but the basic human design

983
00:49:09,380 --> 00:49:06,180
or that is what okay yes that is correct

984
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:09,390
I want to hear everything Karl I said

985
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:10,980
that earlier Carla how did you get them

986
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:12,180
how did you get involved with this I

987
00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:14,910
mean it's one thing to be interested in

988
00:49:20,780 --> 00:49:17,340
UFOs but it's another thing to say hey

989
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:20,790
I'm going to specialize in high

990
00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:24,960
strangest cases and in humanoids now

991
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,180
you've been involved in investigating a

992
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,240
UFO sir how many years got uh I'm gonna

993
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:32,640
say actively since about nineteen ninety

994
00:49:37,610 --> 00:49:35,160
before that I was just another spectator

995
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:37,620
and in fact as you know Tim Wood brought

996
00:49:42,310 --> 00:49:40,140
me into the field actively was the fact

997
00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:42,320
that i read jacques valets book

998
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:44,430
dimensions i believe it was and he

999
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:45,810
mentioned toward the end of the book

1000
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:47,870
that Salvador they share those

1001
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:50,880
monumental work of de fin de manos de

1002
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:53,810
los dioses beware of the gods remained

1003
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:56,280
untranslated in English and I thought

1004
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:57,810
well I've got to do something about that

1005
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:01,140
and that's when I became active just

1006
00:50:08,060 --> 00:50:05,190
trying to as a little bit of a

1007
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:08,070
digression in the end or Latino a yes

1008
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:11,610
exactamente uh in the 1980s we started

1009
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:14,460
to move away from what you follow G had

1010
00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:17,330
more or less established in the 70s the

1011
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:19,620
interdimensional origin of the UFO

1012
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:21,720
phenomenon we started moving into this

1013
00:50:27,010 --> 00:50:25,020
more of an ET abduction John Lear kind

1014
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:27,020
of thing and I thought it's

1015
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,430
someone had to try to let people

1016
00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:33,680
remember what had been done before and

1017
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:36,260
certainly please share those work is a

1018
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:39,290
landmark preparing all of who was the

1019
00:50:44,050 --> 00:50:42,110
Jesuit priest that is correct yep that's

1020
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:44,060
for something Jesuit so I was the

1021
00:50:48,370 --> 00:50:45,890
translation what was his thinking on the

1022
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:48,380
subject guide yeah he not take a rather

1023
00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:51,770
negative of you absolutely absolutely in

1024
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,180
fact he just published something

1025
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,760
recently in espacio compartido a

1026
00:51:00,850 --> 00:50:57,680
newsletter that comes out of Spain and

1027
00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:00,860
he's reiterated his point about these

1028
00:51:08,730 --> 00:51:05,780
contacts being very old up possibly as

1029
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:08,740
old as humanity being in the caves and

1030
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:12,890
not being very positively disposed to

1031
00:51:18,540 --> 00:51:16,160
humans playing tricks with us much like

1032
00:51:21,460 --> 00:51:18,550
the jinn of the Islamic tradition ah

1033
00:51:23,830 --> 00:51:21,470
they're not human they occupy a

1034
00:51:26,530 --> 00:51:23,840
territory between humans and angels I'm

1035
00:51:29,410 --> 00:51:26,540
talking about the gym now but these gods

1036
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:29,420
that fit a shadow up is that is talking

1037
00:51:34,930 --> 00:51:32,140
about or I think what we have mistakenly

1038
00:51:39,550 --> 00:51:34,940
construed as extraterrestrials and that

1039
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:39,560
is the main premise of his work so he

1040
00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:42,170
believes that there are they're coming

1041
00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:43,460
here from where then they're not from a

1042
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:45,590
an outside source they actually inhabit

1043
00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:48,770
our own planet uh in some cases he

1044
00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:50,600
suggests that yes they do come from that

1045
00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:52,520
from our own planet that they predate

1046
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:54,980
humanity and will be here long after our

1047
00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:57,920
species is gone so I say he said they're

1048
00:52:04,510 --> 00:51:59,900
like they actually are God's not aliens

1049
00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:04,520
no no no no I in them let me try to let

1050
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:05,900
me see if I can go back to his original

1051
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:09,710
premise um his premise is that there are

1052
00:52:16,990 --> 00:52:13,670
levels of existence and as you progress

1053
00:52:18,850 --> 00:52:17,000
much like on the column of life on earth

1054
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:18,860
where you have in vertebrates you have

1055
00:52:24,070 --> 00:52:20,570
your vertebrates and then you're going

1056
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:24,080
to have something else intelligence at

1057
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:27,520
the other end up you would have I'm

1058
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:29,930
guessing you would have humans you would

1059
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:33,680
have demigod entities and finally you

1060
00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:35,090
would have gods who would have

1061
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:38,420
tremendous powers they would demand what

1062
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:40,130
were these entities demand from us they

1063
00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:40,880
demand

1064
00:52:46,990 --> 00:52:43,550
not because they need it they simply

1065
00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:47,000
enjoy it worship to them is let's say

1066
00:52:50,020 --> 00:52:48,350
the pleasure that we would get from

1067
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:50,030
smoking a cigarette a drinking cup of

1068
00:52:55,230 --> 00:52:51,590
coffee it's just something pleasurable

1069
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,240
not essential so throughout history the

1070
00:52:59,820 --> 00:52:57,920
gods have manifested themselves and

1071
00:53:03,220 --> 00:52:59,830
demanded one thing blood sacrifice

1072
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:03,230
because they get a high as he puts it

1073
00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:07,280
from human Wars from conflicts from

1074
00:53:11,070 --> 00:53:09,260
getting people to kill each other what

1075
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,080
we see in the Middle East right now is

1076
00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:13,520
exactly what he has been saying was

1077
00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:15,400
going on thousands of years ago and

1078
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:19,580
pleasing the group of non-human entities

1079
00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:21,890
that masqueraded as gods to the people

1080
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:25,070
living at the time and that is the

1081
00:53:31,060 --> 00:53:28,270
opening chapter of beware of the gods

1082
00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:31,070
well this is very all very frightening I

1083
00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:32,540
know you wrote about some of this in a

1084
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:34,760
book that I did the we put together

1085
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:36,290
called round trip to hell on the flying

1086
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:41,210
saucer haha yes right in fact this is a

1087
00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:43,610
Jesuit priests I guess he is no longer

1088
00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:45,500
Jesuit priest today did they

1089
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:47,300
excommunicated because of his views on

1090
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:50,720
UFOs are actually it is funny he was

1091
00:54:00,550 --> 00:53:57,170
excommunicated by the bishops of Caracas

1092
00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:00,560
because of a book he published on human

1093
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:08,920
courtship marriage and sex in the

1094
00:54:13,630 --> 00:54:11,690
Catholic tradition and they thought it

1095
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:13,640
was very much a racy very controversial

1096
00:54:21,310 --> 00:54:18,260
no doubt is much too and he's been in

1097
00:54:25,870 --> 00:54:21,320
prison he was imprisoned uh he's always

1098
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:25,880
been at the edge of trouble and right

1099
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:27,740
now he's bleeding back in Spain he's

1100
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:30,530
happily married still writing his last

1101
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:32,570
work I think was going to be proving

1102
00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:35,570
that Columbus was in fact not Italian

1103
00:54:41,050 --> 00:54:39,350
but from northwestern Spain and with

1104
00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:41,060
that project ever got done I don't know

1105
00:54:45,070 --> 00:54:42,440
but he's still active he just wrote

1106
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:45,080
something this month so so let's get

1107
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:46,550
back to that I want to get back to the

1108
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:47,720
humanoid thinking if you don't mind

1109
00:54:53,740 --> 00:54:51,710
because I'm fascinated so so is he

1110
00:54:54,820 --> 00:54:53,750
looking at this as a priest is this a

1111
00:54:59,380 --> 00:54:54,830
spirit

1112
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,390
is well as as as far as far as the

1113
00:55:04,090 --> 00:55:02,240
negativity goes as far as I mean do they

1114
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:04,100
have some influence now the way he said

1115
00:55:08,290 --> 00:55:06,530
with the war that's going on do they

1116
00:55:13,540 --> 00:55:08,300
still influence us now these these these

1117
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,550
gods and uh is this like an evil at this

1118
00:55:16,750 --> 00:55:15,200
this is what we're talking about again

1119
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:16,760
you know III go back to this in every

1120
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:18,470
shell because I'm always trying to get

1121
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:20,090
to the bottom of this you know I was

1122
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:23,510
trying to make some sense of you know

1123
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:26,240
religion you know um Brian right and and

1124
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,730
all this you know and what people saw or

1125
00:55:33,610 --> 00:55:31,520
what's actually going on or you know um

1126
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:33,620
but I mean it was he talking as a priest

1127
00:55:39,850 --> 00:55:38,330
when he said that that was something

1128
00:55:41,950 --> 00:55:39,860
that influences they are they flying

1129
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:41,960
around or they are they just sightings

1130
00:55:46,270 --> 00:55:43,970
in the woods I mean you know what was he

1131
00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:46,280
what was he going on well let's say let

1132
00:55:50,290 --> 00:55:47,630
well this would be separate from the

1133
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:50,300
humanoids up he's if you want to go back

1134
00:55:54,780 --> 00:55:51,710
to talking but for sure those view on

1135
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:54,790
the gods yeah I did yes his premise is

1136
00:56:02,140 --> 00:55:58,330
you have these entities that have been

1137
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,150
to tulare to humanity humanity they make

1138
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:04,640
uses it speak English to meet you Scott

1139
00:56:10,570 --> 00:56:08,960
yeah well I find it hard I but sometimes

1140
00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:10,580
you'll have to forgive me but let's see

1141
00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:13,400
that people that you have entities that

1142
00:56:18,970 --> 00:56:15,590
are superior to humans and have taken a

1143
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,980
paternalistic approach to us sometimes

1144
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:20,720
they're kind sometimes you're not kind

1145
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:23,290
but they're not really interested in us

1146
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:26,510
they are no more interested than an

1147
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:28,370
example uses in this book that a hunter

1148
00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:31,910
is in the rabbits in the field unless he

1149
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:35,030
happens to be hunting for rabbits um the

1150
00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:36,770
gods would sooner just ignore us all

1151
00:56:41,770 --> 00:56:39,460
together but if we do something that

1152
00:56:44,170 --> 00:56:41,780
gives them some kind of benefit like

1153
00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:44,180
whatever energy we release in our wars

1154
00:56:50,290 --> 00:56:47,120
that energy we release in sporting

1155
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:50,300
events to he suggests is also something

1156
00:56:55,180 --> 00:56:52,490
any kind of conflict any generation of

1157
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:55,190
great emotion which is why he says for

1158
00:57:01,480 --> 00:56:58,330
example up when people attend seances um

1159
00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:01,490
and you're told you must empty your mind

1160
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:04,390
he says no no no you must keep your mind

1161
00:57:12,910 --> 00:57:08,810
type well shut and your eyes wide open

1162
00:57:15,820 --> 00:57:12,920
exactly what's going on now his beware

1163
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:15,830
of the gods is let's say continuation of

1164
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:19,370
an even larger book about parapsychology

1165
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:21,530
that was really really became a handbook

1166
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:24,290
in Latin American parapsychology in the

1167
00:57:32,430 --> 00:57:27,130
1970s and he covered the gamut from

1168
00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:32,440
ghosts to demonology to telekinesis and

1169
00:57:38,110 --> 00:57:35,270
it was always with this thing about

1170
00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:38,120
where do these powers come from and of

1171
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:41,900
course ultimately who benefits so when

1172
00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:43,970
we're talking about conflicts if you if

1173
00:57:47,350 --> 00:57:45,620
we share the was here in our

1174
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:47,360
conversation he would say look

1175
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:49,610
whatever's going on in the Middle East

1176
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:52,270
right now has been going on for

1177
00:57:57,790 --> 00:57:55,250
thousands of years and it's always a new

1178
00:58:00,970 --> 00:57:57,800
group of entities that comes through and

1179
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:00,980
of course you know it's very hard to

1180
00:58:06,010 --> 00:58:03,740
just condense um he's written so much

1181
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,020
but he don't want to just circumscribed

1182
00:58:09,550 --> 00:58:08,000
him to one book he has an even more

1183
00:58:11,860 --> 00:58:09,560
controversial book but I don't think

1184
00:58:15,220 --> 00:58:11,870
we'll ever get translated called Israel

1185
00:58:18,580 --> 00:58:15,230
the contactee people ah that book has

1186
00:58:20,860 --> 00:58:18,590
gotten to very serious trouble and that

1187
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:20,870
he insists that that forget everything

1188
00:58:27,070 --> 00:58:24,170
else that is his main work so tell us

1189
00:58:29,050 --> 00:58:27,080
what that work is it was ok now Israel

1190
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:29,060
bug the contactee nation or Israeli

1191
00:58:36,070 --> 00:58:32,390
public contact or in Spanish uh tries to

1192
00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:36,080
look at the Bible up all the books of of

1193
00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:42,320
Genesis as from an alien or non-human

1194
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:45,380
Chronicle he doesn't go as far as ETS

1195
00:58:48,610 --> 00:58:47,330
that's not something he believes and not

1196
00:58:51,220 --> 00:58:48,620
something less on the best on a belief

1197
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:51,230
that I share either but he says look

1198
00:58:55,470 --> 00:58:53,570
these entities look at them look at all

1199
00:58:58,660 --> 00:58:55,480
the descriptions throughout Scripture

1200
00:59:01,360 --> 00:58:58,670
look at the Ark of the Covenant look at

1201
00:59:05,410 --> 00:59:01,370
these things that suggests the presence

1202
00:59:08,890 --> 00:59:05,420
of this higher order of entities taking

1203
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:08,900
advantage manipulating contradicting

1204
00:59:15,340 --> 00:59:12,290
themselves simply for their own benefit

1205
00:59:18,340 --> 00:59:15,350
using humans as puppets that is the

1206
00:59:21,790 --> 00:59:18,350
premise of that book and of course he

1207
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:21,800
does he does play fast and loose with a

1208
00:59:24,849 --> 00:59:22,640
lot of concept

1209
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:24,859
I think a lot of people would read the

1210
00:59:29,470 --> 00:59:27,130
book and translation and would find it

1211
00:59:30,910 --> 00:59:29,480
prejudiced so that's why I think that

1212
00:59:33,759 --> 00:59:30,920
book will never see the light of day in

1213
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:33,769
English or in any other language now

1214
00:59:38,859 --> 00:59:36,170
what would you say then that he would

1215
00:59:41,740 --> 00:59:38,869
warn us to stay away from seances and

1216
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:41,750
Ouija boards and perhaps that go out and

1217
00:59:46,990 --> 00:59:43,940
tried to make contact me some stellar

1218
00:59:49,089 --> 00:59:47,000
visitor absolutely and I think this is

1219
00:59:52,029 --> 00:59:49,099
something he made clear in yet another

1220
00:59:54,849 --> 00:59:52,039
book called na minha sex at history

1221
00:59:58,299 --> 00:59:54,859
which is what the alien menace Felicio

1222
01:00:00,430 --> 00:59:58,309
had a nephew I think hope I hope he

1223
01:00:03,099 --> 01:00:00,440
still has a nephew who became involved

1224
01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:03,109
with a contact he group and found

1225
01:00:08,859 --> 01:00:05,990
himself getting into automatic writing

1226
01:00:10,779 --> 01:00:08,869
and the automatic writing messages kept

1227
01:00:13,210 --> 01:00:10,789
telling him come out to these woods come

1228
01:00:16,089 --> 01:00:13,220
out to meet us come out to have true

1229
01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:16,099
physical contact Michelle go told us

1230
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:18,670
nephew do not do this this is how

1231
01:00:23,859 --> 01:00:21,680
contact experiences tend to go awry and

1232
01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:23,869
I mean if we go back to our own contact

1233
01:00:29,319 --> 01:00:26,950
e tradition you know up Howard menger oh

1234
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:29,329
you can see how would people when

1235
01:00:35,019 --> 01:00:31,849
meetings go out into the darkness into

1236
01:00:37,539 --> 01:00:35,029
the woods anything can happen to the

1237
01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:37,549
human we are the vulnerable ones in

1238
01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:41,390
these exchanges and whether it's someone

1239
01:00:46,329 --> 01:00:43,160
who says look I'm a grey alien from this

1240
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,339
planet or I'm a kind space brother the

1241
01:00:51,249 --> 01:00:49,119
minute we are separated from the fold

1242
01:00:53,140 --> 01:00:51,259
that's when we set ourselves up for

1243
01:00:55,329 --> 01:00:53,150
possible disaster many times it doesn't

1244
01:00:56,799 --> 01:00:55,339
happen many times you get another

1245
01:01:00,279 --> 01:00:56,809
phenomenon that we share though loves

1246
01:01:03,130 --> 01:01:00,289
the phenomenon of illumination uh he has

1247
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:03,140
studied the Illuminati not the political

1248
01:01:07,210 --> 01:01:04,910
Illuminati of our world but people who

1249
01:01:10,930 --> 01:01:07,220
have actually undergone the illumination

1250
01:01:12,759 --> 01:01:10,940
experience and he has a couple of cases

1251
01:01:15,069 --> 01:01:12,769
that I've always found very suggestive

1252
01:01:18,509 --> 01:01:15,079
he mentions even people that we consider

1253
01:01:21,849 --> 01:01:18,519
to be hoaxers now like Sai Baba in India

1254
01:01:23,849 --> 01:01:21,859
he approaches them from the position of

1255
01:01:26,499 --> 01:01:23,859
people who were just normal human beings

1256
01:01:29,650 --> 01:01:26,509
underwent to contact experience of some

1257
01:01:34,340 --> 01:01:29,660
sort and gained powers some of them

1258
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:34,350
became demigods and he mentions

1259
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:36,780
sai Baba and he mentioned sooo booed who

1260
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:39,050
also had was also a mystical leader

1261
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:42,780
within the Middle Eastern tradition who

1262
01:01:48,050 --> 01:01:44,730
could predict could perform what we call

1263
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:48,060
miracles and that's he free Elsa always

1264
01:01:51,980 --> 01:01:50,250
found that very very intriguing but what

1265
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:51,990
happens to these people after

1266
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:54,510
enlightenment according to fresh air

1267
01:01:59,000 --> 01:01:56,220
though they usually come to a sticky end

1268
01:02:02,180 --> 01:01:59,010
and many times they have they die in

1269
01:02:05,090 --> 01:02:02,190
strange ways the only one that he

1270
01:02:08,780 --> 01:02:05,100
mentions it did seem to have you know a

1271
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:08,790
normal end for this kind of character is

1272
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:11,670
sung jung woon who also seems to have

1273
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:14,400
had some kind of illumination experience

1274
01:02:20,420 --> 01:02:18,900
early in his life well you know I

1275
01:02:22,250 --> 01:02:20,430
actually worked with a I worked with a

1276
01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:22,260
guy who actually uh was a follower Sai

1277
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:25,980
Baba and has people are the urban people

1278
01:02:31,070 --> 01:02:28,530
have come forward to bunk him I mean how

1279
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:31,080
do we know that he was a false prophet

1280
01:02:35,810 --> 01:02:33,330
er well see now this is what I

1281
01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:35,820
understand remember now that being a

1282
01:02:40,970 --> 01:02:37,670
skeptic seems to be all the rage

1283
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:40,980
everything that was ever put forward in

1284
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:42,810
the field of UFO parapsychology

1285
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:44,520
everything was a lie was a

1286
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:47,640
misunderstanding it was a hoax a lot of

1287
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:52,410
people still believe that Sai Baba was

1288
01:02:56,330 --> 01:02:54,510
real I have not studied it so I can't

1289
01:02:57,980 --> 01:02:56,340
tell you one way or another but people

1290
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:57,990
who never really were involved beyond

1291
01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:00,540
having an image of his on the wall would

1292
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:03,780
finally collecting ash believe me I used

1293
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:05,370
to make fun of them on a daily basis for

1294
01:03:11,900 --> 01:03:08,250
even thinking this guy was a legit right

1295
01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:11,910
hey Messiah hey listen uh it it's like

1296
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:14,070
making fun of any other religion anyone

1297
01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:15,450
else will follow and I do that and I

1298
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:17,400
children of God or anything to that now

1299
01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:19,110
it's fine i mean but i'm saying i have

1300
01:03:24,110 --> 01:03:20,760
not studied this i'm just telling you

1301
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:24,120
what well trying to I'm taking the great

1302
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:26,610
it's very daring on my part to presume

1303
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:27,570
this is what if they show that was

1304
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:29,850
actually going with this but he does

1305
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:31,980
mention sai baba he does mention an

1306
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:35,310
incident that involves four American

1307
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:38,490
movie makers who went to India and these

1308
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:40,650
guys were being how cynical Hollywood

1309
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:41,700
types and they were going to do a

1310
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:44,370
documentary about this Indian you know

1311
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:46,950
calm a mystic a mountebank whatever you

1312
01:03:49,730 --> 01:03:47,730
want to call

1313
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:49,740
and one of them said you know the when I

1314
01:03:54,410 --> 01:03:52,530
meet this character the very first thing

1315
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:54,420
I'm going to ask him is to make me a

1316
01:04:00,020 --> 01:03:57,810
rainbow so there they are there you know

1317
01:04:01,790 --> 01:04:00,030
bang through the roads of Indiana bleep

1318
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:01,800
or whatever they were doing they get to

1319
01:04:07,220 --> 01:04:04,290
the ashram and the first thing they see

1320
01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:07,230
is an amazing sight a rainbow a

1321
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:09,630
beautiful perfect rainbow rising from

1322
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:12,960
the ground vertically into a cloud not

1323
01:04:18,130 --> 01:04:15,090
not a bow but it's a column of rainbow

1324
01:04:22,070 --> 01:04:18,140
light saibaba approaches the group and

1325
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:22,080
ask them so characters what do you think

1326
01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:24,900
about the rainbow now all I can tell you

1327
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:26,550
about that I've not looked into this

1328
01:04:31,130 --> 01:04:29,250
this is just anecdotal but one of the

1329
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:31,140
characters one of the one of the the

1330
01:04:34,970 --> 01:04:32,700
Hollywood movie makers made a movie

1331
01:04:37,010 --> 01:04:34,980
called the night they raided minsky's

1332
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:37,020
that's that's all I remember about it as

1333
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:40,890
a move from the 60s and they said yeah

1334
01:04:46,099 --> 01:04:44,310
you know they had no there was no way

1335
01:04:48,380 --> 01:04:46,109
that saibaba could have heard them

1336
01:04:51,050 --> 01:04:48,390
talking during the ride to the ashram

1337
01:04:55,550 --> 01:04:51,060
and yet there was the rainbow and the

1338
01:04:57,500 --> 01:04:55,560
word character had been used so um you

1339
01:05:00,500 --> 01:04:57,510
know take it take it for what it's worth

1340
01:05:03,590 --> 01:05:00,510
I mean if if you believe that this is

1341
01:05:06,190 --> 01:05:03,600
all trickery that you know over the past

1342
01:05:09,140 --> 01:05:06,200
40 years we have just been subsisting on

1343
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:09,150
hearsay and gossip and misunderstanding

1344
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:11,609
sure sirs let's get let's get let's get

1345
01:05:17,570 --> 01:05:14,280
to your humanoids down yeah what about

1346
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:17,580
them well ignorance so now yes and now

1347
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:23,280
your research is my research started

1348
01:05:29,180 --> 01:05:27,330
with okay first of all my main goal and

1349
01:05:30,740 --> 01:05:29,190
getting involved in ufology was to let

1350
01:05:33,980 --> 01:05:30,750
people know what's going on in South

1351
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:33,990
America and Spain and interested

1352
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:36,900
humanoids is just one of the many up

1353
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:39,960
arrows in my quiver um if you want to

1354
01:05:45,290 --> 01:05:43,859
start with well what kind of weak

1355
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,300
against we could start wherever you want

1356
01:05:49,250 --> 01:05:47,760
to start I mean oh yeah wherever you

1357
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:49,260
want to start with whatever inglis if

1358
01:05:55,580 --> 01:05:51,180
you want to talk about yeah what looks

1359
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:55,590
like what why South America in Spain or

1360
01:05:59,960 --> 01:05:57,930
something keep going on there or you or

1361
01:06:01,730 --> 01:05:59,970
that's just who you want to inform

1362
01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:01,740
that's a bear you want to cover

1363
01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:03,630
well let's say take a very academic

1364
01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:06,510
approach to everything and i figured

1365
01:06:15,620 --> 01:06:11,270
it's important for me personally that

1366
01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:15,630
readers in the UK and the USA in canada

1367
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:18,150
and australia know what's going on in

1368
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:20,520
Latin America and Spain simply to have a

1369
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:23,970
complete record I see that my mindset is

1370
01:06:30,350 --> 01:06:26,730
very much of the 1970s I still think

1371
01:06:32,660 --> 01:06:30,360
that ufology the parapsychology etc has

1372
01:06:34,460 --> 01:06:32,670
to be in written form and what we're

1373
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,470
trying to do is to inform other

1374
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:36,960
researchers so that they can incorporate

1375
01:06:41,630 --> 01:06:39,210
all this knowledge into their own work

1376
01:06:43,130 --> 01:06:41,640
now that doesn't seem to be working now

1377
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:43,140
it's all entertainment now it's all

1378
01:06:48,620 --> 01:06:45,240
podcast or television or how can I get a

1379
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,630
TV show but my way of doing things is

1380
01:06:53,030 --> 01:06:51,119
simply a way people to know what's

1381
01:06:54,830 --> 01:06:53,040
happening what happened and if you want

1382
01:06:56,300 --> 01:06:54,840
to start with the humanoids I could go

1383
01:06:58,490 --> 01:06:56,310
to the chupacabras I could go anywhere

1384
01:07:01,160 --> 01:06:58,500
you want me to but with the humanoids

1385
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:01,170
you would have to go to the year 15 17

1386
01:07:07,730 --> 01:07:05,090
ah in the middle of the Aztec empire

1387
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:07,740
shortly before the arrival of the

1388
01:07:14,540 --> 01:07:10,980
Spaniards you had the first UFO flap of

1389
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:14,550
the Americas and it was documented by

1390
01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:16,970
the sages of the Aztec empire who were

1391
01:07:23,090 --> 01:07:18,990
there the service of the Emperor

1392
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:23,100
Moctezuma and they described all the

1393
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:26,250
paranormal events at to their mindset to

1394
01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:30,810
their cosmology up described the ending

1395
01:07:36,590 --> 01:07:33,780
of their age once all these events

1396
01:07:39,590 --> 01:07:36,600
happen that they were undergoing up the

1397
01:07:41,330 --> 01:07:39,600
end of times and in that end of times

1398
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:41,340
they were seeing creatures they recalled

1399
01:07:47,060 --> 01:07:44,880
la consola in nahuatl and these were the

1400
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:47,070
two-headed men they were seeing these

1401
01:07:52,340 --> 01:07:49,020
humanoid figures that would run around

1402
01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:52,350
with two heads and of course it sounds

1403
01:07:56,570 --> 01:07:53,910
very funny seller running around with

1404
01:08:01,550 --> 01:07:56,580
two heads these were terrifying images

1405
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:01,560
to people living in Mesoamerica in the

1406
01:08:07,099 --> 01:08:05,130
year 1517 out one of them was captured

1407
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:07,109
and actually brought before the Emperor

1408
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:10,260
and it was described I mean that is the

1409
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:11,910
this is the very first description that

1410
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:14,250
we have of something paranormal on this

1411
01:08:17,419 --> 01:08:15,180
side of the world

1412
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:17,429
so that's how are you so what happened

1413
01:08:21,220 --> 01:08:19,890
what happened with the it was described

1414
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:21,230
and then what and then what happened

1415
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:24,239
apparently was imprisoned and then it

1416
01:08:28,340 --> 01:08:25,770
disappeared like like all these things

1417
01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:28,350
you know that you don't really know how

1418
01:08:32,979 --> 01:08:30,870
much of it was myth how much of it was

1419
01:08:36,050 --> 01:08:32,989
real but the fact that it became

1420
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,060
something so terrifying for it to them

1421
01:08:40,910 --> 01:08:38,880
that the Emperor had let's say court

1422
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,920
sorcerers court magicians much like a

1423
01:08:45,890 --> 01:08:43,440
European ruler and they said you know my

1424
01:08:49,970 --> 01:08:45,900
lord we have no idea but this is this is

1425
01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:49,980
big medicine shall we say ah before you

1426
01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:52,380
knew it a couple of years later the year

1427
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,350
1519 rolls around the first Europeans

1428
01:09:01,729 --> 01:08:57,839
come in and then Curtis and his band of

1429
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:01,739
Spanish conquistadores and there you go

1430
01:09:08,050 --> 01:09:04,290
that is the end of their civilization

1431
01:09:12,380 --> 01:09:08,060
these images these UFOs that were seen

1432
01:09:14,959 --> 01:09:12,390
the boiling of Lake Texcoco from menorah

1433
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:14,969
but completely unknown reasons probably

1434
01:09:20,150 --> 01:09:17,460
some kind of volcanic activity are the

1435
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:20,160
discovery of I think it was a heron a

1436
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:22,890
heron that had a mirror in its head some

1437
01:09:27,260 --> 01:09:25,290
kind of marriage structure that actually

1438
01:09:29,780 --> 01:09:27,270
showed them the arrival of the Spaniards

1439
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:29,790
I mean these things just blew their

1440
01:09:33,620 --> 01:09:32,250
minds now you can tell you can ask me so

1441
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:33,630
how do you know this is real we don't

1442
01:09:39,979 --> 01:09:37,370
know more than we know yeah but any

1443
01:09:41,780 --> 01:09:39,989
document from antiquity I mean we just

1444
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:41,790
can't get into a time machine and go and

1445
01:09:47,180 --> 01:09:44,100
corroborate but this is where we start

1446
01:09:52,189 --> 01:09:47,190
reckoning the paranormal in Latin

1447
01:09:54,740 --> 01:09:52,199
America is with the 15-17 UFO flap and

1448
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:54,750
then you start having so where do we go

1449
01:09:59,390 --> 01:09:57,360
from there you start going to the bub

1450
01:10:02,240 --> 01:09:59,400
the Europeans you start i believe the

1451
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:02,250
chroniclers of the spanish conquest who

1452
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,380
were coming up against the paranormal

1453
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:06,480
you have the first chroniclers who were

1454
01:10:11,209 --> 01:10:09,330
describing Bigfoot or the bear man as

1455
01:10:13,459 --> 01:10:11,219
they called it and they were saying look

1456
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:13,469
the natives believe in this and they see

1457
01:10:17,450 --> 01:10:15,210
it and they have records and they have

1458
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:17,460
pelts so you start getting into your

1459
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:20,810
early cryptozoology there then in the

1460
01:10:27,919 --> 01:10:24,530
Christopher Columbus starts describing

1461
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:27,929
strange white-haired humanoids when he

1462
01:10:34,380 --> 01:10:29,340
arrives in

1463
01:10:36,030 --> 01:10:34,390
santo domingo and i think those were

1464
01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:36,040
tried they tried to make those seem at

1465
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:38,380
one point that they were some kind of

1466
01:10:45,090 --> 01:10:41,530
avatars or some kind of entities that

1467
01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:45,100
were again paternalistic of the natives

1468
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:47,140
of hispaniola of the island of

1469
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:50,290
hispaniola of santo domingo um as you

1470
01:10:55,850 --> 01:10:52,330
start moving into South America the

1471
01:10:58,380 --> 01:10:55,860
conquest starts having very very strange

1472
01:11:02,010 --> 01:10:58,390
supernatural stories of entities

1473
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:02,020
intervening on the side of either the

1474
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:04,570
Indians or the Spaniards in in battle

1475
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:07,570
and there's even a yep so what was one

1476
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:09,070
of the big histories of I alone so they

1477
01:11:12,979 --> 01:11:10,960
have Celia who conquered it was the

1478
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:12,989
chronicler of the conquest of Chile ah

1479
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:16,390
there's a huge battle and they say that

1480
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:19,330
one of the patrons of salve of Spain

1481
01:11:23,939 --> 01:11:21,760
actually appears on horseback in the

1482
01:11:26,010 --> 01:11:23,949
middle of the battle and now this is

1483
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:26,020
something else that dovetails back to

1484
01:11:32,910 --> 01:11:29,650
free shadows belief that during major

1485
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:32,920
conflicts in antiquity you would

1486
01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:35,730
actually have let's say avatars of

1487
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:39,340
non-human forces getting into battles to

1488
01:11:45,150 --> 01:11:42,250
tip it one way or another to whichever

1489
01:11:47,820 --> 01:11:45,160
way would be more convenient which force

1490
01:11:49,709 --> 01:11:47,830
should win that would benefit us more or

1491
01:11:53,580 --> 01:11:49,719
which for should win they'll create more

1492
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:53,590
bloodshed so we can absorb this energy

1493
01:11:59,370 --> 01:11:56,560
of the spilled blood so you see soap

1494
01:12:02,220 --> 01:11:59,380
soap with it it's it's not just a a

1495
01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:02,230
single avenue of research it's uh it's

1496
01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:05,260
more like a tree or bush it has branches

1497
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:08,260
that go every which way and some of the

1498
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:11,199
others branches of humanoid experience

1499
01:12:16,050 --> 01:12:13,410
come right up to the present I think Tim

1500
01:12:17,610 --> 01:12:16,060
remembers one of the famous cases of the

1501
01:12:22,590 --> 01:12:17,620
50s and I think it's a one that people

1502
01:12:26,220 --> 01:12:22,600
remember the most um the hairy dwarf

1503
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:26,230
like humanoid in Caracas that attacked

1504
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:30,310
the two guys who were walking by um one

1505
01:12:35,250 --> 01:12:33,250
of the men takes out a knife stabs one

1506
01:12:38,459 --> 01:12:35,260
of these hairy humanoids and i think the

1507
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,469
knife bends because they're so dense or

1508
01:12:42,839 --> 01:12:40,480
they're so powerful and now one of them

1509
01:12:44,609 --> 01:12:42,849
is they start dragging toward

1510
01:12:46,589 --> 01:12:44,619
a sorcerer or some kind of craft and

1511
01:12:48,509 --> 01:12:46,599
it's only because they put up this

1512
01:12:51,419 --> 01:12:48,519
tremendous struggle or another vehicle

1513
01:12:53,879 --> 01:12:51,429
comes that that would would have been an

1514
01:12:56,580 --> 01:12:53,889
early abduction experience gets

1515
01:12:59,429 --> 01:12:56,590
interrupted and that is one of those

1516
01:13:02,909 --> 01:12:59,439
early landmark cases from the 1950s now

1517
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:02,919
before that we had been having um up

1518
01:13:07,649 --> 01:13:05,289
other experiences involving humanoid

1519
01:13:10,969 --> 01:13:07,659
creatures but those were always woven

1520
01:13:16,139 --> 01:13:10,979
into the traditions of let's say

1521
01:13:18,899 --> 01:13:16,149
Mountain spirits or um let's say in in

1522
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:18,909
in the Andes down in South America they

1523
01:13:25,109 --> 01:13:22,719
always have figures that help mountain

1524
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,119
climbers and seem to be guardians of the

1525
01:13:29,699 --> 01:13:27,760
mountain whereas in Mexico these are the

1526
01:13:32,069 --> 01:13:29,709
humanoid figures that look kind of human

1527
01:13:34,109 --> 01:13:32,079
but weren't seemed to be interested in

1528
01:13:37,649 --> 01:13:34,119
guarding treasure protecting treasure in

1529
01:13:41,489 --> 01:13:37,659
many cases luring people into caves who

1530
01:13:43,770 --> 01:13:41,499
would then die um for some reason so so

1531
01:13:47,399 --> 01:13:43,780
if you start looking through the what

1532
01:13:50,639 --> 01:13:47,409
happened between the UFO era of 1947 and

1533
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,649
the earlier conquest everything that

1534
01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:52,719
happened in between just seemed to be to

1535
01:13:59,819 --> 01:13:54,820
become part of the paranormal the ghost

1536
01:14:02,520 --> 01:13:59,829
tradition the tradition of shall we say

1537
01:14:05,819 --> 01:14:02,530
I don't want to use the word avatars

1538
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:05,829
let's say elementals and a lot of those

1539
01:14:10,349 --> 01:14:07,300
things were just simply sandwiched in

1540
01:14:11,879 --> 01:14:10,359
there and became part of you know go

1541
01:14:16,049 --> 01:14:11,889
stories on whatever book survived from

1542
01:14:18,179 --> 01:14:16,059
the time now these early reports what

1543
01:14:19,649 --> 01:14:18,189
was the they were getting some press

1544
01:14:22,139 --> 01:14:19,659
coverage because I remember things and

1545
01:14:24,659 --> 01:14:22,149
even some foreign clippings going back

1546
01:14:29,219 --> 01:14:24,669
many many years how did the the press

1547
01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:29,229
treat these sightings it depended on the

1548
01:14:36,270 --> 01:14:33,550
newspaper um remember South America

1549
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:36,280
maybe not today I can't tell you for

1550
01:14:41,969 --> 01:14:39,010
sure chilly definitely Argentina perhaps

1551
01:14:44,389 --> 01:14:41,979
they still have different editions of

1552
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:44,399
the newspaper you get your morning paper

1553
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:46,449
and you have the afternoon than the

1554
01:14:51,060 --> 01:14:49,209
Bulldog edition and sometimes an evening

1555
01:14:53,609 --> 01:14:51,070
paper as people are coming out of the

1556
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:53,619
office and going home so it dependent of

1557
01:14:57,020 --> 01:14:55,050
what time of day

1558
01:14:59,570 --> 01:14:57,030
uh they would get either more

1559
01:15:02,510 --> 01:14:59,580
seriousness or perhaps a bit more levity

1560
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:02,520
applied to whatever was going on and you

1561
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:05,730
have the little tabloids that much like

1562
01:15:11,690 --> 01:15:07,800
in vallejo in Puerto Rico which covered

1563
01:15:14,330 --> 01:15:11,700
most of the chupacabras incidents of the

1564
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:14,340
1990s it was these little tabloid

1565
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:16,770
stories that would either give you

1566
01:15:23,420 --> 01:15:20,910
completely crazy impossible clearly made

1567
01:15:25,460 --> 01:15:23,430
up sensational stories or they would

1568
01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:25,470
just say look this is so crazy when it

1569
01:15:32,420 --> 01:15:28,470
straight if a cab driver tells you that

1570
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:32,430
a humanoid feline entity ran across the

1571
01:15:36,980 --> 01:15:34,710
street while he was picking up a fare

1572
01:15:40,730 --> 01:15:36,990
that is so crazy you don't have to

1573
01:15:44,150 --> 01:15:40,740
embellish it if another cap a taxi

1574
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:44,160
driver says that he was driving taking

1575
01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:46,920
what is it up the Antonio sabato to be

1576
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:50,340
unaware of a case of 1953 he was driving

1577
01:15:56,030 --> 01:15:53,310
an American couple from Mexico City in

1578
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:56,040
his taxi cab back to the US border which

1579
01:16:00,440 --> 01:15:57,900
is right then on the end itself i mean

1580
01:16:04,820 --> 01:16:00,450
that's that's kind of nutty uh his cab

1581
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:04,830
breaks down and he runs into UFO aliens

1582
01:16:08,510 --> 01:16:06,360
or whatever he construe them to be

1583
01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:08,520
that's crazy enough you don't have to

1584
01:16:15,370 --> 01:16:11,550
embellish it run the story so we have a

1585
01:16:19,190 --> 01:16:15,380
lot of stories from less than ideal

1586
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:19,200
newspapers that turned out to be

1587
01:16:25,190 --> 01:16:21,690
factually true as far as the person

1588
01:16:27,950 --> 01:16:25,200
understood the events to be now local

1589
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:27,960
newspapers in let's say in Veracruz or

1590
01:16:34,510 --> 01:16:32,010
let's say up north and went away they

1591
01:16:37,190 --> 01:16:34,520
were trying to be very faithful because

1592
01:16:39,380 --> 01:16:37,200
this was the community they were

1593
01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:39,390
discussing you don't want to make your

1594
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:41,310
community look silly and you certainly

1595
01:16:47,660 --> 01:16:45,420
don't want the rage of your readers you

1596
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:47,670
don't want to lose readers so pretty

1597
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:50,130
much whenever researchers started

1598
01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:52,410
looking back in on the stories they

1599
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,120
could interview the witnesses you would

1600
01:17:01,160 --> 01:16:56,400
find that their stories held water as

1601
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:01,170
far as something completely outrageously

1602
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:03,890
nonsensical seeming can hold water and

1603
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:08,460
that's we go by um I'm trying to think

1604
01:17:14,420 --> 01:17:09,120
but

1605
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:14,430
going back to the the case in an Caracas

1606
01:17:19,190 --> 01:17:17,040
the Ponzi case as it was called this

1607
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:19,200
really received coverage than flying

1608
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:22,560
saucer review which unfortunately is one

1609
01:17:29,570 --> 01:17:25,380
of those great forgotten sources of

1610
01:17:31,820 --> 01:17:29,580
information that it's we i look around

1611
01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:31,830
now and I think we don't have anything

1612
01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:33,960
like flying saucer review we don't have

1613
01:17:38,540 --> 01:17:37,020
a publication of record that can say

1614
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:38,550
look this is from around the world from

1615
01:17:43,730 --> 01:17:41,760
China from South America from Africa we

1616
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:43,740
don't have it now it's simply you know

1617
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:45,780
people grasp for information wherever we

1618
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:50,130
can and like Carla's why said white boy

1619
01:17:55,820 --> 01:17:52,710
Latin America why Spain I've taken upon

1620
01:17:59,420 --> 01:17:55,830
myself no one's asked me up to simply be

1621
01:18:02,000 --> 01:17:59,430
the one let's say pick up the shreds of

1622
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:02,010
the mantle that Gordon Crichton left and

1623
01:18:08,770 --> 01:18:05,760
be the one to just say okay guys look if

1624
01:18:12,890 --> 01:18:08,780
you should want to know what's going on

1625
01:18:15,260 --> 01:18:12,900
with traditional UFO cases or what's

1626
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:15,270
happening right now right now there's a

1627
01:18:20,990 --> 01:18:19,290
there's a um what seems to be a new UFO

1628
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:21,000
flap taking care taking place in

1629
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:23,490
Argentina which happens every every five

1630
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:26,010
to ten years I've come over to in

1631
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:28,800
explicarte we have the information we

1632
01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:32,850
have the correspondence and we're not

1633
01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:34,710
trying to we're not trying to tell

1634
01:18:39,980 --> 01:18:36,780
stories I mean we're not dissing for me

1635
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:39,990
it's a spokesman spokesman purely purely

1636
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:41,460
the way we're just trying to get the

1637
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:44,370
information out there for the record and

1638
01:18:48,290 --> 01:18:46,290
I've been telling people I've been doing

1639
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:48,300
radio for many many years I did some

1640
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:51,360
television back in the day none of this

1641
01:18:57,290 --> 01:18:54,420
information is going to help us now this

1642
01:18:59,390 --> 01:18:57,300
information that we've gathered up is

1643
01:19:02,570 --> 01:18:59,400
going to be of the benefit of people who

1644
01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:02,580
haven't been born yet who have will have

1645
01:19:08,300 --> 01:19:04,260
the mother the four side will have the

1646
01:19:11,060 --> 01:19:08,310
ability to look back and say hey we can

1647
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:11,070
link those cases together that

1648
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:13,530
chupacabras incident with that Mothman

1649
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:15,090
incident over there maybe even that

1650
01:19:19,190 --> 01:19:17,250
Bigfoot incident over there all these

1651
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:19,200
crypto things will tie together maybe

1652
01:19:24,859 --> 01:19:22,110
the flap in Argentina

1653
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:24,869
right now coincidence Anna what's going

1654
01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:26,760
on over there they've been having lights

1655
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:28,440
they've been seeing a lot of strange

1656
01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:32,460
lights you know it and again Tim knows

1657
01:19:39,109 --> 01:19:35,340
what I mean what I'm saying that the

1658
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:39,119
case is that I even Sanderson would have

1659
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:41,010
thrown out automatically the lights in

1660
01:19:49,129 --> 01:19:46,080
the sky lately the c/e ones are now what

1661
01:19:51,020 --> 01:19:49,139
is the what is the rage worldwide people

1662
01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:51,030
want more videos they want more

1663
01:19:56,180 --> 01:19:54,030
photographs of these things at my god

1664
01:19:58,520 --> 01:19:56,190
they're coming out of South America like

1665
01:20:01,640 --> 01:19:58,530
crazy well you just you know I've

1666
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:01,650
noticed I've noticed that the on YouTube

1667
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,650
for example that the the videos that get

1668
01:20:09,379 --> 01:20:07,199
the most hits are not the the interviews

1669
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:09,389
like i like i do you know i try to have

1670
01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:12,000
a serious conversation with with someone

1671
01:20:16,459 --> 01:20:14,699
people do want to see the the phenomena

1672
01:20:18,649 --> 01:20:16,469
most of it i mean as far as I'm

1673
01:20:22,669 --> 01:20:18,659
concerned it's not very spectacular true

1674
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:22,679
and the end the the YouTube alien the

1675
01:20:28,609 --> 01:20:26,130
videos process are totally absurd you

1676
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,619
got you gotta laugh and you know some

1677
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:30,719
people want to be titillated by this

1678
01:20:34,669 --> 01:20:32,159
they want entertainment and they don't

1679
01:20:37,070 --> 01:20:34,679
care really one way or another whether

1680
01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:37,080
it's legitimate or not and who's to say

1681
01:20:41,390 --> 01:20:39,710
probably some of the most ridiculous a

1682
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:41,400
photograph so the ones that are

1683
01:20:45,859 --> 01:20:43,110
legitimate and the ones that look like

1684
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:45,869
structured craft probably are you know

1685
01:20:52,879 --> 01:20:50,100
like pie pans tossed in the sky now how

1686
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:52,889
does the sightings of humanoids vary

1687
01:20:59,090 --> 01:20:56,330
from one country to another is there any

1688
01:21:01,550 --> 01:20:59,100
variation well of course now as far as I

1689
01:21:03,740 --> 01:21:01,560
know no shoot two humanoids actually

1690
01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:03,750
ever look the same I mean it seems like

1691
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:06,840
it's a potluck the draw exactly what it

1692
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,820
is that you're going to encounter but

1693
01:21:13,959 --> 01:21:10,560
are there any patterns that have emerged

1694
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:13,969
you know I think Tim the only the only

1695
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,070
similarity in creatures I think was back

1696
01:21:21,859 --> 01:21:19,760
when France was having that wave of

1697
01:21:24,530 --> 01:21:21,869
humanoids you know blonde haired guys

1698
01:21:27,609 --> 01:21:24,540
and tight silver suits back in the 50s I

1699
01:21:30,459 --> 01:21:27,619
got what we look at my closet right now

1700
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:30,469
za easy breathing still turn it's like a

1701
01:21:35,610 --> 01:21:32,639
Prince Albert in the bell I would come

1702
01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:35,620
out I don't know about the alien haha

1703
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:38,140
but you know these are these guys these

1704
01:21:44,850 --> 01:21:40,330
cases back from the 50s you did see that

1705
01:21:47,580 --> 01:21:44,860
commonality uh but not in in the Latin

1706
01:21:50,010 --> 01:21:47,590
American countries you still had aliens

1707
01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:50,020
that were described a short old men they

1708
01:21:54,630 --> 01:21:51,670
elected with the features of old men

1709
01:21:57,090 --> 01:21:54,640
then Brazil had that tradition of giants

1710
01:21:59,900 --> 01:21:57,100
the giant humanoids that were talking

1711
01:22:03,690 --> 01:21:59,910
about six feet tall nine feet tall um

1712
01:22:06,330 --> 01:22:03,700
the Argentine have someone say six feet

1713
01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:06,340
are 60 tall in it which one giant uh he

1714
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:08,020
only had one I could wear things like

1715
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:10,810
that's right that's right in Argentina

1716
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:12,730
and then you have the the 0 Hania

1717
01:22:20,910 --> 01:22:17,890
Douglas case of 1963 um at the 1963 or

1718
01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:20,920
66 a camera call but these were also

1719
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:23,110
giant humanoids you had this truck

1720
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:26,050
driver tried to make it as destination

1721
01:22:30,660 --> 01:22:28,000
you know it's hard enough I'm sure that

1722
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:30,670
his dispatcher was on his case and all

1723
01:22:36,510 --> 01:22:33,570
of a sudden he has to stop this light

1724
01:22:39,330 --> 01:22:36,520
knocks out the power to his truck he

1725
01:22:41,130 --> 01:22:39,340
comes out he sees these giant aliens on

1726
01:22:44,010 --> 01:22:41,140
the road they're trying to get him he

1727
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:44,020
whips out a gun and it's one of the most

1728
01:22:50,370 --> 01:22:47,490
visual dramatic cases that I know of in

1729
01:22:52,890 --> 01:22:50,380
UFO history and yet of course you know

1730
01:22:54,690 --> 01:22:52,900
top his back and forth did it exists did

1731
01:22:58,890 --> 01:22:54,700
it happen did he have a gun were they in

1732
01:23:01,920 --> 01:22:58,900
fact 9 to 12 feet tall you have to go

1733
01:23:05,190 --> 01:23:01,930
with the information that we were given

1734
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:05,200
and of course a lot of people who are

1735
01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:08,290
now who were let's say active believer

1736
01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:09,880
researchers of the time now become

1737
01:23:16,350 --> 01:23:13,660
skeptics still stand by the research

1738
01:23:18,630 --> 01:23:16,360
they did and they said look we

1739
01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:18,640
interviewed okay and you're Douglas and

1740
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:21,400
he was not crazy he was not drunk this

1741
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:24,490
is what he believes he saw and we go by

1742
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:27,910
that now there was an an even bigger

1743
01:23:34,770 --> 01:23:31,090
case in 1975 covered the initial yanka

1744
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:34,780
case anthony co yanka was another truck

1745
01:23:41,370 --> 01:23:38,650
driver in Argentina who was stopped by

1746
01:23:45,420 --> 01:23:41,380
these blond aliens I think he was taken

1747
01:23:47,970 --> 01:23:45,430
aboard a saucer you know typical blood

1748
01:23:49,140 --> 01:23:47,980
work you know things at the that seemed

1749
01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:49,150
to be the

1750
01:23:56,610 --> 01:23:53,100
stock and trade of cd3 is back then um

1751
01:23:58,590 --> 01:23:56,620
he was psychoanalyze they apparently he

1752
01:24:01,080 --> 01:23:58,600
had some kind of posthypnotic suggestion

1753
01:24:03,630 --> 01:24:01,090
and he disappeared and they said well

1754
01:24:06,150 --> 01:24:03,640
since he disappeared he must have been

1755
01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:06,160
another mountebank out to make a couple

1756
01:24:11,900 --> 01:24:08,710
of pesos you know as best he could the

1757
01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:11,910
guy resurfaced last year the year before

1758
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:14,470
he's been quietly all these years

1759
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:16,810
staying out of the way working as a

1760
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:19,090
mechanic in the south of Argentina and

1761
01:24:23,490 --> 01:24:21,250
people went to look for him and he's

1762
01:24:25,890 --> 01:24:23,500
like oh not you again let's not start

1763
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:25,900
with that yeah that happened don't ask

1764
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:28,690
me I'm not talking about it so we go

1765
01:24:34,620 --> 01:24:31,450
right back to the witness what and I

1766
01:24:37,260 --> 01:24:34,630
said I know that someone wiser than me

1767
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,270
has said this that when we look at UFOs

1768
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:39,760
you're studying the human aspect of the

1769
01:24:46,860 --> 01:24:43,210
phenomenon d whatever is magical or

1770
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:46,870
alien or bizarre is not within our grasp

1771
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:49,930
and of course in that and when you see

1772
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:52,330
if that way you can actually say yes the

1773
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:54,970
scientists the skeptics are right when

1774
01:24:59,580 --> 01:24:56,770
they say look when we have a flying

1775
01:25:02,520 --> 01:24:59,590
saucer in our hand or a dead humanoid or

1776
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:02,530
a live humanoid even better then we can

1777
01:25:08,850 --> 01:25:06,250
talk but all that we can do is hold on

1778
01:25:11,550 --> 01:25:08,860
to that human experience whether we just

1779
01:25:15,210 --> 01:25:11,560
try to do a straight interview or we try

1780
01:25:17,550 --> 01:25:15,220
to hypnotize or psychoanalyze or somehow

1781
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:17,560
get to the root of the story it's all we

1782
01:25:22,170 --> 01:25:19,090
have is the person we have the

1783
01:25:25,050 --> 01:25:22,180
experiencer and that's it otherwise

1784
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,060
we're out of luck well now why do you

1785
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:27,520
think I started that the the humanoid

1786
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:30,850
encounters never really had court has

1787
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:33,730
caught out here in the in America I mean

1788
01:25:39,690 --> 01:25:36,010
we've had a few like Lonnie Zamora saw

1789
01:25:43,470 --> 01:25:39,700
the two beings and coveralls outside the

1790
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:43,480
craft fair in Socorro New Mexico but for

1791
01:25:50,250 --> 01:25:45,730
the most part at least in the early days

1792
01:25:53,370 --> 01:25:50,260
the beings were almost angelic Nordic

1793
01:25:57,900 --> 01:25:53,380
types of blue eyes blonde hair not

1794
01:26:00,090 --> 01:25:57,910
necessarily all of that but we don't

1795
01:26:02,669 --> 01:26:00,100
seem to have here no bright anywhere

1796
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:02,679
near anywhere near the number of

1797
01:26:06,270 --> 01:26:05,199
it's of strange entities like the

1798
01:26:09,299 --> 01:26:06,280
humanoids that have been reported

1799
01:26:11,759 --> 01:26:09,309
throughout South America well I've just

1800
01:26:14,509 --> 01:26:11,769
what angel just said no black aliens you

1801
01:26:17,250 --> 01:26:14,519
know that is true with one exception

1802
01:26:21,149 --> 01:26:17,260
there have been cases in Brazil where

1803
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:21,159
you have up call them nonhumans or if

1804
01:26:27,689 --> 01:26:23,170
you want to call the occupants of lights

1805
01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:27,699
or craft that are of clearly either

1806
01:26:36,179 --> 01:26:31,329
native Brazilian stock that's happens to

1807
01:26:38,219 --> 01:26:36,189
be Carioca or with African influences to

1808
01:26:44,850 --> 01:26:38,229
them now of course as part of the

1809
01:26:47,819 --> 01:26:44,860
abductee of paradigm of the 1990s these

1810
01:26:50,910 --> 01:26:47,829
were seen as hybrids possibly human

1811
01:26:52,799 --> 01:26:50,920
human human and non-human hybrids notice

1812
01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:52,809
I'm not saying alien human and non-human

1813
01:26:59,729 --> 01:26:56,219
hybrids that have you been a nonhuman

1814
01:27:01,859 --> 01:26:59,739
what exactly that mean I'm human human

1815
01:27:03,989 --> 01:27:01,869
no no no no no excuse me no human are

1816
01:27:05,790 --> 01:27:03,999
over alien with the worst the whole

1817
01:27:08,819 --> 01:27:05,800
excuse more else excuse me the word

1818
01:27:12,029 --> 01:27:08,829
alien unfortunately has been co-opted to

1819
01:27:16,290 --> 01:27:12,039
mean extraterrestrial nowadays so I'm

1820
01:27:19,399 --> 01:27:16,300
always very own mexican um what a hit

1821
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:19,409
what I always say is we're talking about

1822
01:27:26,939 --> 01:27:24,400
nonhumans para humans ah ultra

1823
01:27:28,469 --> 01:27:26,949
terrestrials to say that these are these

1824
01:27:32,129 --> 01:27:28,479
are beings that somehow come into our

1825
01:27:34,979 --> 01:27:32,139
reality but we cannot say for sure until

1826
01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:34,989
you know I think arthur arthur c clarke

1827
01:27:39,839 --> 01:27:37,510
said it facetiously back in the 1950s

1828
01:27:42,959 --> 01:27:39,849
it's not alien unless you see the

1829
01:27:44,219 --> 01:27:42,969
Martian license plate and it was funny

1830
01:27:45,660 --> 01:27:44,229
back then maybe it's not so funny now

1831
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:45,670
but it's still something to keep in mind

1832
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:48,610
but you were asking me about the racial

1833
01:27:56,669 --> 01:27:52,719
differences up that's the only case that

1834
01:27:59,339 --> 01:27:56,679
I know of where you have a humanoid

1835
01:28:02,399 --> 01:27:59,349
creatures that look of another ethnic

1836
01:28:04,410 --> 01:28:02,409
group of another racial group are the

1837
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:04,420
ones in Brazil described in the 1990s

1838
01:28:09,839 --> 01:28:06,880
but these are already under the

1839
01:28:11,370 --> 01:28:09,849
abduction paradigm now going back to

1840
01:28:13,589 --> 01:28:11,380
what Tim was saying about how come we

1841
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:13,599
only had listened the scorer aliens if

1842
01:28:18,779 --> 01:28:16,719
you look back at but the year of the hue

1843
01:28:22,529 --> 01:28:18,789
mid nineteen seventy three you were

1844
01:28:25,469 --> 01:28:22,539
getting everything and you had the short

1845
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:25,479
ones tall ones humanoid ones helmeted

1846
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:27,489
ones ones that seem to be able to

1847
01:28:33,989 --> 01:28:30,729
breathe the atmosphere in Latin America

1848
01:28:37,109 --> 01:28:33,999
you were getting strange bizarre

1849
01:28:40,799 --> 01:28:37,119
monsters like in Peru you had some very

1850
01:28:44,689 --> 01:28:40,809
strange aliens um in Brazil us have we

1851
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:44,699
had the Giants Argentina only recently

1852
01:28:51,810 --> 01:28:48,249
started getting diminutive aliens and in

1853
01:28:55,259 --> 01:28:51,820
fact up during the craze of the greys in

1854
01:28:59,640 --> 01:28:55,269
the 1990s we were not getting any cases

1855
01:29:01,560 --> 01:28:59,650
of the so-called ebe s or whatever in

1856
01:29:03,629 --> 01:29:01,570
South America that that came later

1857
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:03,639
that's sort of a you might even say some

1858
01:29:07,979 --> 01:29:06,130
kind of an acculturation process where

1859
01:29:10,109 --> 01:29:07,989
people now start reporting what they've

1860
01:29:11,819 --> 01:29:10,119
been seeing that they've been seeing on

1861
01:29:16,739 --> 01:29:11,829
the cover of books are seeing in on

1862
01:29:18,509 --> 01:29:16,749
documentaries are these uh how

1863
01:29:21,020 --> 01:29:18,519
intelligent are they I mean we should

1864
01:29:24,359 --> 01:29:21,030
say I we know they they scooped up soil

1865
01:29:25,919 --> 01:29:24,369
sometimes they paralyze witnesses that

1866
01:29:28,919 --> 01:29:25,929
seems to be pretty common I think right

1867
01:29:32,370 --> 01:29:28,929
but on the intel on the intelligence

1868
01:29:37,109 --> 01:29:32,380
scale between 0 and 10 where would you

1869
01:29:41,569 --> 01:29:37,119
put these humanoids ah that i think you

1870
01:29:45,660 --> 01:29:41,579
get a mixed bag going back to to Spain

1871
01:29:47,939 --> 01:29:45,670
1950s you had the humanoids the blonde

1872
01:29:50,879 --> 01:29:47,949
humanoids in the tight space suits that

1873
01:29:54,060 --> 01:29:50,889
were actually giving up this one

1874
01:29:56,569 --> 01:29:54,070
particular contactee information that

1875
01:30:00,080 --> 01:29:56,579
later made him a very wealthy man and

1876
01:30:03,989 --> 01:30:00,090
they would pay him there as I said this

1877
01:30:06,029 --> 01:30:03,999
it falls into the contactee tradition

1878
01:30:07,799 --> 01:30:06,039
but since this man is still with us and

1879
01:30:10,589 --> 01:30:07,809
did physically benefit from the

1880
01:30:13,469 --> 01:30:10,599
information he was just a hotel owner

1881
01:30:15,060 --> 01:30:13,479
and these blond entities would come in

1882
01:30:17,729 --> 01:30:15,070
they would walk they did not he never

1883
01:30:19,589 --> 01:30:17,739
saw a spaceship he never saw crafts they

1884
01:30:22,259 --> 01:30:19,599
would come to visit him and ask

1885
01:30:24,299 --> 01:30:22,269
questions and they would they wanted two

1886
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:24,309
things they wanted milk and bread which

1887
01:30:29,310 --> 01:30:26,650
he was willing to sell them and they

1888
01:30:30,450 --> 01:30:29,320
would pay pay him with gold nuggets from

1889
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:30,460
the local River

1890
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:33,010
and he said wait a minute were you guys

1891
01:30:36,810 --> 01:30:34,690
getting this gold is it down the river

1892
01:30:39,630 --> 01:30:36,820
in fact when we're done with our mission

1893
01:30:43,050 --> 01:30:39,640
we will show you where the gold is now

1894
01:30:46,610 --> 01:30:43,060
this man went ahead and after these

1895
01:30:49,290 --> 01:30:46,620
encounters were over he found the a

1896
01:30:51,690 --> 01:30:49,300
great concentration of placer gold in

1897
01:30:54,540 --> 01:30:51,700
the river and went on to become an

1898
01:30:57,209 --> 01:30:54,550
industrialist so he'd this whatever was

1899
01:31:00,780 --> 01:30:57,219
going on here he did benefit there was

1900
01:31:02,370 --> 01:31:00,790
some kind of tangible outcome to this

1901
01:31:04,020 --> 01:31:02,380
encounter and there was a lot of

1902
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:04,030
scientific information being given to

1903
01:31:09,660 --> 01:31:07,570
this person at the time now you have the

1904
01:31:11,370 --> 01:31:09,670
the ones who just run around and maybe

1905
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:11,380
scream or they scurry when they see

1906
01:31:18,260 --> 01:31:15,370
humans uh you have cases that drivers

1907
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:18,270
come upon landed craft and they'll see

1908
01:31:22,620 --> 01:31:20,800
humanoids engaging in strange activity

1909
01:31:26,340 --> 01:31:22,630
collecting soil samples they don't seem

1910
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:26,350
to be doing much else um and I'm trying

1911
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:27,730
to think of other cases where they may

1912
01:31:32,820 --> 01:31:31,330
have been a higher intelligence shown

1913
01:31:34,979 --> 01:31:32,830
and there's those are usually the ones

1914
01:31:37,740 --> 01:31:34,989
where you are taken into what you think

1915
01:31:40,170 --> 01:31:37,750
is some kind of craft or into it and

1916
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:40,180
Latin America is called a syndra with it

1917
01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:43,330
with an X which is simply a gigantic

1918
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:46,030
light on the ground it looks like

1919
01:31:51,450 --> 01:31:49,690
nothing but a gigantic sodium light but

1920
01:31:54,209 --> 01:31:51,460
you can walk into it and that's where

1921
01:31:57,810 --> 01:31:54,219
the encounter takes place but again now

1922
01:32:00,570 --> 01:31:57,820
you're talking about the contactee

1923
01:32:03,410 --> 01:32:00,580
tradition overlapping into what you

1924
01:32:06,540 --> 01:32:03,420
might call with serious ufology or

1925
01:32:09,650 --> 01:32:06,550
mainstream ufology when you talk about

1926
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:09,660
these other beliefs now what about the

1927
01:32:14,010 --> 01:32:11,650
we've seen here in the United States

1928
01:32:17,630 --> 01:32:14,020
likes the high meanest on to get more

1929
01:32:20,729 --> 01:32:17,640
reports of objects in humanoids from

1930
01:32:23,370 --> 01:32:20,739
Mexico would you say that Mexico is the

1931
01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:23,380
most active country now as far as the

1932
01:32:27,959 --> 01:32:25,900
UFO phenomena goes or is it somewhere

1933
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:27,969
else we should be paying attention to i

1934
01:32:36,300 --> 01:32:30,130
would say in argentina i would say

1935
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:36,310
argentina um a lot of the videos and

1936
01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:39,120
photographs of humanoids coming out of

1937
01:32:43,710 --> 01:32:42,160
Mexico unfortunately have proved to be

1938
01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:43,720
less than impressive

1939
01:32:51,060 --> 01:32:47,470
when you know finally analyzed under the

1940
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:51,070
cold I've reason but what we're getting

1941
01:32:58,140 --> 01:32:54,400
out of Argentina for the past I'm gonna

1942
01:33:01,200 --> 01:32:58,150
say going back to the beginning of the

1943
01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:01,210
2000s has been very impressive we're

1944
01:33:08,340 --> 01:33:04,510
getting a lot of traditional ce3 s you

1945
01:33:13,170 --> 01:33:08,350
can still count on decency e2s however

1946
01:33:16,770 --> 01:33:13,180
in recent years up the increase in

1947
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:16,780
people having model aviation that they

1948
01:33:22,340 --> 01:33:19,450
get to pass off as UFOs lights in the

1949
01:33:26,670 --> 01:33:22,350
sky you have people with drones now um

1950
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:26,680
that's sort of skewed the photography

1951
01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:28,330
and the video aspect sometimes you don't

1952
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:31,120
know what it is you're looking at but

1953
01:33:35,910 --> 01:33:33,040
when it comes to the cases you have

1954
01:33:39,330 --> 01:33:35,920
cases still involving police officers

1955
01:33:42,780 --> 01:33:39,340
are home undergone strange experiences

1956
01:33:47,610 --> 01:33:42,790
with UFOs on the ground experiences with

1957
01:33:50,910 --> 01:33:47,620
humanoid creatures that look schleck

1958
01:33:53,850 --> 01:33:50,920
short short human-like creatures in

1959
01:33:58,130 --> 01:33:53,860
spacesuits maybe with the features are

1960
01:34:00,480 --> 01:33:58,140
different and these go back to maybe

1961
01:34:03,150 --> 01:34:00,490
2006-2007 so we're talking still within

1962
01:34:06,450 --> 01:34:03,160
the past 10 years so I think anyone who

1963
01:34:08,670 --> 01:34:06,460
wants to go down and really get their

1964
01:34:11,130 --> 01:34:08,680
hands dirty would do well to go to

1965
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:11,140
Argentina rather than Mexico now are

1966
01:34:16,710 --> 01:34:13,510
there are there individuals and groups

1967
01:34:19,650 --> 01:34:16,720
that are actively investigating these

1968
01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:19,660
kind of cases today because here in the

1969
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:22,450
US we pretty much just have new fun and

1970
01:34:29,070 --> 01:34:25,840
then of course Peter Davenport collects

1971
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:29,080
the data data and puts it on his his UFO

1972
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:31,810
site but there were you know in the old

1973
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:34,930
days and I keep mentioning this you know

1974
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:37,600
the local papers around the country

1975
01:34:41,340 --> 01:34:40,000
would print reports of UFOs and they

1976
01:34:43,740 --> 01:34:41,350
would mention the name of the person and

1977
01:34:46,620 --> 01:34:43,750
often given the address right I would

1978
01:34:49,140 --> 01:34:46,630
could call these witnesses on the on the

1979
01:34:50,850 --> 01:34:49,150
telephone interview them we had

1980
01:34:54,290 --> 01:34:50,860
magazines in those vases with actually

1981
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:54,300
purchase our material so you had a

1982
01:34:59,580 --> 01:34:57,130
limited amount of funding at least

1983
01:35:01,379 --> 01:34:59,590
do some field work whether it was on the

1984
01:35:03,689 --> 01:35:01,389
telephone or actually you know buying

1985
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:03,699
that getting into your car and pumping

1986
01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:05,679
some gasoline and driving a couple

1987
01:35:13,050 --> 01:35:08,409
hundred miles on the road today outside

1988
01:35:14,610 --> 01:35:13,060
of new fun I don't see that at all well

1989
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:14,620
it's interesting I think that right now

1990
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:16,810
going back to Argentina they have the

1991
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:19,690
most groups they have the Argentine UFO

1992
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:22,449
foundation from the son of Nero he

1993
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:26,170
cotton Tina they actually have groups

1994
01:35:32,189 --> 01:35:29,530
that do feel research uh whether its

1995
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:32,199
crop circles whether it's siiii tues

1996
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:35,250
whether it's interviewing witnesses

1997
01:35:40,379 --> 01:35:38,320
conducting hypnotic regressions they do

1998
01:35:43,140 --> 01:35:40,389
it you have a lot of other private

1999
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:43,150
groups bands of people who go in in

2000
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:44,800
their own parts of the country see it's

2001
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:47,920
it's hard to as Americans we just think

2002
01:35:52,020 --> 01:35:49,449
well you know we get on the interstate

2003
01:35:54,570 --> 01:35:52,030
and we're gonna drive over to Kansas and

2004
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:54,580
we're gonna you can't do that in South

2005
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:56,110
America many times you just have dirt

2006
01:36:01,530 --> 01:35:59,440
roads many times you will not have buses

2007
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:01,540
or you don't have any filling stations

2008
01:36:07,950 --> 01:36:05,530
if you don't have a people in the area

2009
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:07,960
to help you out let's say whether it's a

2010
01:36:14,399 --> 01:36:10,480
local police sometimes a local librarian

2011
01:36:17,129 --> 01:36:14,409
or what they call glue is M Eagles

2012
01:36:19,530 --> 01:36:17,139
recharge fanclubs of the subject up to

2013
01:36:21,930 --> 01:36:19,540
help you out you're very much left on to

2014
01:36:24,629 --> 01:36:21,940
your own devices and that's what makes

2015
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:24,639
it hard getting around to where an

2016
01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:26,650
alleged landing to place where an

2017
01:36:30,020 --> 01:36:28,510
alleged flap took place is a lot harder

2018
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:30,030
in South America than it is here

2019
01:36:35,399 --> 01:36:32,530
particularly in Argentina Mexico is a

2020
01:36:37,290 --> 01:36:35,409
lot easier but now you know with the

2021
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:37,300
drug situation the way it is you could

2022
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:41,170
run afoul of drug cartel people and

2023
01:36:45,090 --> 01:36:43,840
never come back I know that some people

2024
01:36:48,419 --> 01:36:45,100
were asking me well we want to get to

2025
01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:48,429
the zone of silence in the state of

2026
01:36:53,879 --> 01:36:49,960
Durango and I thought well listen that

2027
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:53,889
is pretty much cartel territory you'll

2028
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:56,530
be seeing a lot more than alien that's

2029
01:37:00,240 --> 01:36:58,480
really the zone of silence like yeah

2030
01:37:03,689 --> 01:37:00,250
here you'll be really silent you can't

2031
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:03,699
go there well now now Scott okay so we

2032
01:37:07,470 --> 01:37:05,770
have reports of lights in the sky which

2033
01:37:09,689 --> 01:37:07,480
are pretty predominant here in this

2034
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:09,699
country the video tapes and the still

2035
01:37:13,410 --> 01:37:10,960
photos and

2036
01:37:16,459 --> 01:37:13,420
so forth there have been some pretty

2037
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:16,469
spectacular cases in in South America

2038
01:37:22,650 --> 01:37:20,110
involving the Air Force i think is it in

2039
01:37:24,810 --> 01:37:22,660
brazil that actually had the night of

2040
01:37:26,729 --> 01:37:24,820
the UFO where they set up interceptors

2041
01:37:29,310 --> 01:37:26,739
and closed it on these objects and of

2042
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:29,320
course the objects bed you know away

2043
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:32,770
fairly quickly outdistance the planes

2044
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:35,730
right you have a certain degree of

2045
01:37:41,550 --> 01:37:38,170
disclosure there that you certainly

2046
01:37:44,540 --> 01:37:41,560
don't have in this country have any of

2047
01:37:47,090 --> 01:37:44,550
these the South American Nations

2048
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,100
published anything or at least any

2049
01:37:52,350 --> 01:37:49,600
official documents on the humanoids or

2050
01:37:54,959 --> 01:37:52,360
is it all just patterns of the lights in

2051
01:37:58,410 --> 01:37:54,969
the sky no I think right now there's

2052
01:38:02,780 --> 01:37:58,420
there's an interesting paradigm going on

2053
01:38:06,180 --> 01:38:02,790
down there you have the Air Force's

2054
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:06,190
setting up these boards of inquiry in

2055
01:38:12,270 --> 01:38:08,650
Brazil in Argentina and Chile and in

2056
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:12,280
Peru you're not talking about MUFON

2057
01:38:17,340 --> 01:38:14,410
Koufos types you're talking about the

2058
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:17,350
military and what they're telling is

2059
01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:19,450
that look guys please don't think that

2060
01:38:23,850 --> 01:38:21,450
we're out to prove the existence of

2061
01:38:26,370 --> 01:38:23,860
extraterrestrials we're trying to get to

2062
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:26,380
the bottom of UFOs as a hazard to

2063
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:29,860
aviation military and civilian that's

2064
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,290
where they're coming from so they're

2065
01:38:36,690 --> 01:38:34,960
trying to declassify whatever it is that

2066
01:38:40,770 --> 01:38:36,700
they've had you know and you have right

2067
01:38:42,990 --> 01:38:40,780
now there's a major endeavor by a group

2068
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:43,000
called Sephora in Argentina to get

2069
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,210
Argentina you to classify I think

2070
01:38:51,020 --> 01:38:48,400
they've actually managed to give up

2071
01:38:54,420 --> 01:38:51,030
documents a request in hand to president

2072
01:38:58,620 --> 01:38:54,430
could we see that critter um about this

2073
01:39:00,479 --> 01:38:58,630
but Scott information hi karta hai no

2074
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:00,489
you have to start wrapping this up so

2075
01:39:04,500 --> 01:39:02,530
what so what message you won't leave us

2076
01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:04,510
with about about what's going on and

2077
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:07,510
what do you think a the sacred yeah the

2078
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:10,239
takeaway here would be uh there's a look

2079
01:39:16,620 --> 01:39:13,450
south if you want to see truly amazing

2080
01:39:19,170 --> 01:39:16,630
work being done and cases that you would

2081
01:39:21,150 --> 01:39:19,180
not believe and that one wishes one

2082
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:21,160
could go down look south look at Latin

2083
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:23,920
America look across at the ocean up to

2084
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:24,320
Spain

2085
01:39:28,689 --> 01:39:27,170
up take a look at Brazil them what their

2086
01:39:34,450 --> 01:39:28,699
militaries doing for the classification

2087
01:39:37,649 --> 01:39:34,460
and the longest published magazine and

2088
01:39:40,300 --> 01:39:37,659
latin in the spanish-speaking world is

2089
01:39:42,010 --> 01:39:40,310
lavista woo for out of Brazil I mean

2090
01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:42,020
that is simply that's one of a kind

2091
01:39:45,729 --> 01:39:43,550
that's the only one that's left and

2092
01:39:48,220 --> 01:39:45,739
whatever contact and what contact the

2093
01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:48,230
foe do you have if anybody wants to talk

2094
01:39:51,550 --> 01:39:49,280
any further because we really have to

2095
01:39:54,399 --> 01:39:51,560
wrap this up now okay you could just

2096
01:39:58,089 --> 01:39:54,409
email me at the Lauren is one at

2097
01:39:59,919 --> 01:39:58,099
outlook.com and stop by in explicarte at

2098
01:40:02,649 --> 01:39:59,929
blogspot com for the latest information

2099
01:40:04,959 --> 01:40:02,659
on UFO research in Latin America and

2100
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:04,969
Spain great thank you so much Tim well

2101
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:07,250
and well you know you know Scott I wish

2102
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:10,610
we had more time and also wish we had

2103
01:40:16,899 --> 01:40:13,250
some publications that we could share

2104
01:40:20,140 --> 01:40:16,909
this information with because I think

2105
01:40:22,660 --> 01:40:20,150
the only evil speaking of a magazine in

2106
01:40:24,970 --> 01:40:22,670
print anymore is the Australian

2107
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:24,980
ufologist that's it that's correct I

2108
01:40:30,729 --> 01:40:28,159
don't know of any other publication in

2109
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:30,739
English outside as a couple now that

2110
01:40:36,069 --> 01:40:33,290
have developed in England that are on

2111
01:40:38,890 --> 01:40:36,079
the internet and they're very attractive

2112
01:40:42,459 --> 01:40:38,900
publications but boy I just can't quite

2113
01:40:46,169 --> 01:40:42,469
get into reading a magazine or a book I

2114
01:40:48,850 --> 01:40:46,179
don't know it's hard to do maybe it's my

2115
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:48,860
eyesight maybe it's an alien mind

2116
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:51,440
control but I sure in the heck I wish

2117
01:40:57,310 --> 01:40:54,730
that somebody would come forth with a

2118
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:57,320
publication now open minds was very very

2119
01:41:02,050 --> 01:41:00,320
well done and very elaborate in fact

2120
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:02,060
probably too elaborate because I do

2121
01:41:06,370 --> 01:41:03,650
believe that people are not looking for

2122
01:41:08,919 --> 01:41:06,380
gloss and color they're looking for

2123
01:41:11,890 --> 01:41:08,929
content but this kind of weather thank

2124
01:41:13,950 --> 01:41:11,900
you and for finding started this evening

2125
01:41:16,180 --> 01:41:13,960
thank you so much Carla thanks angel

2126
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:16,190
it's always a pleasure to talk with you

2127
01:41:23,379 --> 01:41:19,130
and I'm sure that we will be doing more

2128
01:41:26,109 --> 01:41:23,389
research down the road and angel I want

2129
01:41:29,620 --> 01:41:26,119
to know you were at your assistance

2130
01:41:33,370 --> 01:41:29,630
tonight as engineer and producers and

2131
01:41:35,979 --> 01:41:33,380
Carla keep looking at the up at the sky

2132
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:35,989
and we'll looks at it looks apps and

2133
01:41:40,689 --> 01:41:38,239
look sound thank you and remember

2134
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:40,699
you're in jersey city gone over to

2135
01:41:47,500 --> 01:41:45,440
balance and look at the UFO paintings on

2136
01:41:49,569 --> 01:41:47,510
the wall inspect the inside of the

2137
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:49,579
spaceship and what look after the great

2138
01:41:55,419 --> 01:41:52,880
lights burn and get and don't forget to

2139
01:41:58,299 --> 01:41:55,429
get your hair done while you're over

2140
01:42:00,850 --> 01:41:58,309
there ten send me a box of ice then send

2141
01:42:02,830 --> 01:42:00,860
me a box of snow I'm gonna throw a

2142
01:42:05,770 --> 01:42:02,840
snowball your way look sad look stop

2143
01:42:07,209 --> 01:42:05,780
angel we move north I am sorry it's

2144
01:42:09,009 --> 01:42:07,219
better it's better than looking for the

2145
01:42:12,089 --> 01:42:09,019
bread Carla we're looking for the ice

2146
01:42:15,279 --> 01:42:12,099
now yeah anyway this has this has been

2147
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:15,289
unraveling the secrets and visit with us

2148
01:42:22,270 --> 01:42:19,010
again next Saturday evening at the same

2149
01:42:25,239 --> 01:42:22,280
time with the same host and with some

2150
01:42:30,129 --> 01:42:25,249
more exciting a guest remember it's less

2151
01:42:32,739 --> 01:42:30,139
chatter and more investigation here with

2152
01:42:35,919 --> 01:42:32,749
our world of UFOs and the paranoia